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usmani790

PAKISTAN
Posted - Wednesday, September 13, 2006  -  10:43 AM Reply with quote
Quote:-we are not going to be questioned on the day of judgement for the issues which is beyond our limit and changing the entire environment of your college is definitely beyond your limit.

Reply:-What about changing the School.I hope that it won't be difficult if she ask her parent.

I don't know what is the inside story but I am really shocked.It Islamic Republic of Pakistan,one can find hundreds of school where the girls are wearing Hijaab.
Why can't find such a school and study there?rather studying in such a school.Is there in justification for that? you don't have give me but yes to God you have to.
raushan

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Posted - Wednesday, September 13, 2006  -  12:54 PM Reply with quote
changing one's college is really a tough task in the middle of the session and if this is a medical college then entrance tests are another hazard in this way.
Nida_e_Khair

PAKISTAN
Posted - Wednesday, September 13, 2006  -  1:17 PM Reply with quote
This isn't a medical school. I'm doing my O'Level from here. I'm in grade 11. I can't leave this school because my mother is financially unstable; she can't afford a new school. "Besides", she says, "there's only one year to go". I'm compelled.
Nauman

PAKISTAN
Posted - Wednesday, September 13, 2006  -  5:14 PM Reply with quote
Dear Nida,

Quote: Actually, it is in Karachi. Why?

I made this statement because I live in Karachi too; keeping City School in my mind that is closest to my home.
Nida_e_Khair

PAKISTAN
Posted - Wednesday, September 13, 2006  -  5:39 PM Reply with quote
No Brother, it's not City School. It's a little far from City School.
Know what? When I went for my O-Level exams this year in May/June, I did not come across a single school that did not allow Hijab. There must be around 10 schools whose students were giving the exams, but atleast two to four girls from every school were wearing the Hijab. That made me soooo envious.
Nida_e_Khair

PAKISTAN
Posted - Wednesday, September 13, 2006  -  6:37 PM Reply with quote
We've recently discussed the different contraceptive methods (condoms, etc.) and sexually-transmitted diseases in biology. I'm not against this at all. Sex education is necessary and Allah isn't ashamed to tell you the truth. What I'm against is the environment. And as a result of this environment, I'm getting nightmares everyday.
Any idea what my biology teacher tells us? She tells us to PICTURE the reproductive organs if we get stuck in the exam. I really wonder if Lady Fatimah would've listened to her. Only I am aware of the torture I go through everyday. Just imagine this scene:
a classroom, comprising of 26 bio students, out of which 10 are boys, of ages 15 and above (baaligh), seated in a row opposite to the girls; the girls...wearing uniforms that make them fit the category of women "clothed yet naked"; in front of the students, their books, opened to the page of the structures of the male and famale genitals; and then apart from the books, in front of the students is a female teacher, who also fits the "clothed-yet-naked" category.
Is this what they call "education"? This is ignorance! Is this what they call "broad-mindedness"? Or is the latter just another name for "immodesty"?
My school is the most astray school in Pakistan in this regard. The head teacher of the school has a problem with the word "Allah"! Whenever a student gives a speech that has this Holy word in it, she tells him/her to use "God" instead. If this woman can have a problem with the Name of her Creator, one shouldn't wonder why she isn't ready to follow the commandments of her Creator.
You people have no idea how she dealt with me regarding Hijab, do you? Inshaa'Allah I'll present that story some other time. About this incident, only to make you aware of the torture, I'll just say that it was a two-and-a-half-hour harangue! And what was this harangue for? Just because I wore a scarf! A scarf! Can you believe it?! I had only covered my head! God knows what she would've done if I would've covered my arms!
Loveall

PAKISTAN
Posted - Sunday, September 24, 2006  -  3:45 AM Reply with quote
QUOTE: - Most of the biology books have full naked bodies of men and women, and when you're studying reproduction, you have to glare at the different parts of the genitals just to get an idea of the structures. This is not correct. I don't think there's any need to 'look' at the genitals to get their structure. Just tell them where the different glands, etc. lie or where they're located. There's no point in showing the whole outline or shape of the penis and stuff. Remember, we're supposed to lower our gazes and guard our modesty.
QUOTE: - However the point of view is only gain knowledge and it never happend to me to look at the differents part of the male and female organ, Astagfirullah.
QUOTE: - I'm getting nightmares everyday. Any idea what my biology teacher tells us? She tells us to PICTURE the reproductive organs if we get stuck in the exam.

You are telling about the pictures or “Looking” the private parts but what is your opinion if the medical students (both boys and girls) have not only to look but “Palpate” too the private parts of the patients of even the opposite sexes? Suppose during examination of the inguinal or scrotal swellings, even the girls have to palate the naked testes and penis of the patient otherwise the examination is incomplete. Similarly the boys have to palpate the naked breasts of the female patients (even unmarried) otherwise the examination is incomplete. And if the examination is incomplete then surely knowledge about the patient’s problem is incomplete which results in failure of the proper learning and the treatment.

All over the world, I think, the number of the male gynecologists is more than that of the female ones and the number of the male general surgeons is more than that of the female ones. The male general surgeons deal with the diseases which are much more common in the females, like those of the breast, thyroid gland, gall bladder and the abdominal wall (para-umbilical and incisional hernias etc), veins (varicose veins), and with somewhat overlapping prevalence in the both sexes, the anal problems (haemorrhoids, fissures and fistulas) etc. So what is your opinion about the male gynecologists and the male general surgeons dealing with the problems common in the females?
Nida_e_Khair

PAKISTAN
Posted - Friday, January 19, 2007  -  6:54 PM Reply with quote
I'm sure there are many Halaal methods they can employ.
oosman

USA
Posted - Saturday, January 20, 2007  -  1:50 AM Reply with quote
I am just curious as to how you have arrived at the conclusion that such a method is not halal.

I am not saying it is halal or haram, I am just saying what makes you think so. It might be a fundamental quesition or thing that you dont have to think about and you automatically judged it as not halal, but please clarify to others.

I guess the simple question would be:
* has Allah or His rasool declared such a method haram?
Nida_e_Khair

PAKISTAN
Posted - Saturday, January 20, 2007  -  1:06 PM Reply with quote
I think "Lower your gaze...", in Soorah Noor, says it all!
How can you touch the genitals when you're not allowed to look at them?
oosman

USA
Posted - Sunday, January 21, 2007  -  1:12 AM Reply with quote
My own preference would be a female doctor for my wife and a male doctor for me. However it is difficult at times to get what you want. But I have seen that most doctors are very professional in their work, they see so many of these body organs in their work, that they have phased out the lust. It is just part of the job.

HOwever I think it might be different and not correct for immature students to look at the organs.

You know, I was quite surprised when I heard from someone that in Saudia the men prefer male obgyn for their wives when the wives are giving birth. The mentality there seems to be male doctors are better than female doctors (since woman is only half as good as a man according to many of the arabs). This is pretty sad.
aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Sunday, January 21, 2007  -  2:31 AM Reply with quote
quote:

My own preference would be a female doctor for my wife and a male doctor for me.


Imagine a situation where the female patient under examination cannot be told of her problems and the examining doctor has to explain (and sometimes show) to the accompanying person. Will you/your spouse be comfortable with the female doctor calling you in camera after the examination and explaining to you showing the scanned images of the private parts of your spouse?

I, as an elderly person of the Ummah would advice Nida and her like to keep away from such arguementative thoughts (which can be waswas-il khannas) because you are too young to go into all this.

Concentrate in your studies!

As can be seen from the adifferent posts above, the subject started in a lonely school in some remote corner of a country, but the participants of the forum started blaming the country and its adminstration. Some youth evinced interest in knowing the name and adress of the institution. (to launch a crusade?)

Sura Al Hujuraat verse 10: (Translation of the meaning)


"O Believers! People should not scorn others for perhaps they may be better than them. Neither should women scorn other women, for they may also be better than them."

This verse introduces certain prohibitions necessary for the establishment of successful Islamic Society. Allah forbids the believers from mockery, scorning or looking down at someone - Scorn is the product of Pride, which is itself prohibited in Islam. And:

"Indeed He (Allah) does not love the proud" [Soorah an-Nahl: 23]

Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said:

"Allah All-Mighty said: "Pride is My cloak, and Glory is My Wrap, so for he who competes with Me in either of these, I will cast him into the Fire." [Abu Dawood and Ibn Majah]

Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said: "If you were not sinners, I would fear what is worse for you: Pride, Pride (Ujb)."

Al-Ujb in this Hadeeth implies arrogance due to self-praise. It borders on the slave who is blessed by Allah with His Ability of hiding imperfections and sins. Allah hides his sins and imperfections from the people and yet he behaves in a manner as though he is better than some.

Al-Ujb may or may not be apparent, and if manifested outwardly it is called Pride or Arrogance. It creeps unto us when ideal discussions take place criticizing the sinner, though we do not name him. It is a way of 'showing your pride without showing it' And the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said: "He will not enter Paradise who has even a speck of pride in his heart." [Saheeh Muslim]

Categories of Pride and their Cure:
Ego (the self as distinguished from others) Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Indeed, Allah revealed to me: Humble yourself until none is proud over another and none is oppressive over another." [Saheeh Muslim]

Each additional thing that one becomes proud of, builds his ego or the contentment of his self. This is witnessed in the behavior of Iblees. When Allah ordered angels and Iblees to bow to Adam (alaihi as-salaam). Iblees refused to do so arguing that he was formed from smokeless fire, and thus was better than Adam (alaihi as-salaam), who was created from dust. [(7): 12]

He was too proud to obey Allah's command: "He said: 'I am better than him (Adam)." [Soorah Saad : 76]

The cure of Pride is to remember that we are created from a substance not worth mentioning: "Has there not been, over man, a period of time when he was nothing worthy of mention?" [Soorah al-Insan (9): 1]

"Did we not create you from a fluid of no value?" [Soorah al-Mursalaat (71): 20]

Thus, be mindful of the saying of Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wasallam): "…and none humbles himself to Allah, but Allah raises him." [Saheeh Muslim]

Knowledge:
Let him, who is proud of his knowledge analyze the Hadeeth of Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wasallam). He (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said: "…And a person who learned knowledge and taught it, and recited the Qur'aan, so Allah brought this man before Him and pointed out His Favor, which the man recognized. He is asked: "What did you do with it?" He says: 'I learned knowledge and I taught it, and I recited the Qur'aan for you.' So He (Allah) says: "You lie! In fact you learned so that it would be said of you, 'He is a scholar' and you recited the Qur'aan so that it would be said of you, 'He is a Qari' and it was said." Then it will be ordered that he be dragged upon his face into the Fire…" [Saheeh Muslim]

Deeds:
Let him, who is proud of his deeds, know that deeds are only accepted on the basis of two conditions, they being;

1- Sincerity (Ikhlas): The deed should be performed for the sake of Allah Alone without intending to be seen or heard by others nor attaining titles and positions.

2- Deeds should be according to the guidance of Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) and nothing beyond this criterion:
The Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Indeed, the first of people upon whom the judgment will be passed on the Day of Resurrection is a man who sought martyrdom. When he appears before Allah, he is made to recognize his Favors. It is said, What did you do with it?" He says: "I fought for you until martyrdom.' It is said: 'You lie! You fought so that it would be said: "He is brave, and so it was said." Then it will be ordered that he be dragged upon his face until he is cast into Fire…" [Saheeh Muslim]

Possessions:
"Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers, their selves and their wealth for which there is Paradise for them…" [Soorah at-Tawbah: 111]

He who is proud of his possessions should know that the Eventual end of all possessions is with Allah, and he possesses nothing but it is a test for him. He should use them sincerely for the pleasure of Allah. How often do we find ourselves responsible for more than we are capable of maintaining? In such situations we will certainly be unjust to something. Thus, to give each thing its right one must content himself with few. Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Whoever among you arises in the morning feeling a sense of security, in good health, having his food for the day, then he has gathered what the world has to offer him." [Abu Dawood and Ibn Majah]

There was once a camel that the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) owned, it was undefeated in racing. The Muslims were proud of this camel. One day the camel lost a race, this saddened the Muslims. On this occasion, the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) informed them: "Indeed, it is the right upon Allah that nothing in this life is raised, but He lowers it." [Saheeh al-Bukharee]

Again we may quote here the remainder of the Hadeeth mentioned earlier; where on the Day of Resurrection a man who was blessed with wealth in his earthly life is asked what he did with it, and he replied: "… I neglected no opportunity which You would like this wealth to be spent, but I spent it for Your sake.' Allah says: "You lie! You spent it only so that it would be said: 'He is generous' and so it was said: "Then it will be ordered that he be dragged upon his face until he is cast into Fire." [Saheeh Muslim]

Race, Notable Lineage, Nationalism and Patriotism:
The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Indeed Allah has removed from you the blind loyalties of Jahiliyah and the pride for ancestry. Either be a pious believer, or a miserable proud. (All of) you are children of Adam (alaihi as-salaam) and Adam (alaihi as-salaam) is from dust. Let some men cease to take pride in others who are nothing but burning coals for the Hell-Fire, it will be easier for Allah to handle them than a dung-beetle driving his nose into filth." [Abu Dawood and Ahmad]

Moreover, he (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) also said: "…whoever invites to tribalism, or aids in tribalism and is killed, he dies the death of jahiliyah (ignorant state of man before the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) … he is not of me and I am not of him." [Saheeh Muslim and An-Nisaee]

After the prohibition of Scorn, Allah explains why this act is unwise. He said, the scorned may be superior to the scorner, just as Adam (alaihi as-salaam) was superior to Iblees.

Then Allah specifically warns the women, although He had previously used the word 'people' which includes both men and women. It is to bring special attention to the women and in order to emphasize to the men that they should protect their wives and families from boasting.
oosman

USA
Posted - Sunday, January 21, 2007  -  1:55 PM Reply with quote
aboosait,

I think you digressed from the topic. You material is useful, but irrelevant.

I don't see what the problem is with a female doctor explaining to the husband images of his wife. There is no purdah between husband and wife and he can see her pictures.
aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Monday, January 22, 2007  -  1:46 AM Reply with quote
Dear oosman,[/size=1]

You first wrote:
quote:

My own preference would be a female doctor for my wife and a male doctor for me.


Now you have written:

quote:

I don't see what the problem is with a female doctor explaining to the husband images of his wife.


and you have also written:

quote:

There is no purdah between husband and wife and he can see her pictures.


So acording to your misconcieved opinion as can be seen from your above quoted writings,
quote:

There is no purdah between husband and wife

There is no purdah between oosman and a Lady Doctor

But there is purdah between a male doctor and Oosman's wife
Nida_e_Khair

PAKISTAN
Posted - Monday, January 22, 2007  -  11:01 AM Reply with quote
Why is this turning into an argument?

(I guess I shouldn't have started this topic )
oosman

USA
Posted - Tuesday, January 23, 2007  -  12:32 AM Reply with quote
aboosait,

I think you just want to argue. I am not going to argue with you. All I can say is what you think I said is not what I said.

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