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Nida_e_Khair
PAKISTAN
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 Topic initiated on Saturday, July 8, 2006 - 12:50 PM 
Is sectarianism allowed in Islam?
Assalaamu 'Alaikum! I personally think that sectarianism is totally against Islam. In fact, the Holy Qur'an also supports my statement. Anyone who divides his religion is cursed in the Qur'an. I therefore fail to understand why people have divided themselves into so many sections. But I guess it was inevitable because the Prophet (SAW) had prophecied that his Ummah would be divided into over 70 sects.
Still, I think we should try to bridge our gaps. I think it is right to follow the Holy Prophet (SAW) alone, than to follow Imam "this" or Imam "that". I need your views. |
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student1
PAKISTAN
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 Posted - Saturday, July 8, 2006 - 4:44 PM 
Asalam Aalaikum,
I agree with you, secterianism has no place in Islam and Allah(swt) has criticised those who divide their religion into sects but unfortunately muslims are dividing into different groups/sects. It is their lack of knowledge and awareness that is causing them to divide up. I am pretty sure that if Muslims would be following
the teachings of Qur'an and Sunnah then this would not have happened.
Yes, Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) prophecised in a hadith about the division of muslims in the future and that clearly indicates that what ever division that will happen in the future will be because of the muslims themeselves. Different Muslims interpret Qur'an and Sunnah according to their own understanding and still muslims have disagreement over whether Prophet(pbuh) is alive or not.
I donot understand why muslims concentrate on such issues that have no relevance to Islam. Where does it says in Qur'an that muslims should concentrate and discuss the death issue of Prophet(pbuh).
I have still seen some muslims who donot want to pray in a perticular mosque just because they donot accept Prophet(pbuh) as alive.
These problems werent their when muslims were educated as a whole and what I think is that this is happening because of the intellectual and educational stagnation in Muslim Ummah. |
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Nida_e_Khair
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Saturday, July 8, 2006 - 6:29 PM
 Wa 'Alaikumu Ssalaam! Finally there's someone who agrees with me. I totally agree with you that this is because of intellectual stagnation in the Muslim Ummah. And this is a very serious issue. Up till now, I've only come across one Muslim who is against sectarianism, and you're the second one. What surprises me most is that even the 'Ulemas are either Shia or Sunni. They cannot be called 'Ulemas at all because they don't possess knowledge at all. If they did, they would not be divided. They are supposed to be people of knowledge, yet they contradict the Qur'an! Forget being 'Ulemas, I doubt they can be called Muslims. I'm telling you, this is a very serious issue. Almost the entire Muslim Ummah is divided. Even my mother has no problem in being called a Shia. You'll hardly come across a person nowadays who, upon being asked who he is, will say "Muslim", rather than "Shia" or "Sunni". |
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Zulfee
USA
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Posted - Saturday, July 8, 2006 - 6:39 PM
| The studying Islam is the web site of Corrupt form of Ehl- e – hadith ignorants.And they have such nonsense slogans! |
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Nida_e_Khair
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Saturday, July 8, 2006 - 6:50 PM
 I'm sorry, I didn't quite get what you meant. Are you trying to criticise this website? If so, why have you joined it? And please tell me if you're against me or supporting me. I'm confused. |
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Zulfee
USA
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Posted - Saturday, July 8, 2006 - 7:19 PM
You said: Are you trying to criticise this website?
Of course! They are all corrupt and worst form of Ehl-e-hadith. And raise such nonsense and stupid slogans. |
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Nida_e_Khair
PAKISTAN
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 Posted - Sunday, July 9, 2006 - 3:54 AM
| I'm confused as to why you've registered to this site if you're so against it. And please do inform me about the kind of slogans that they raise. |
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Zulfee
USA
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Posted - Sunday, July 9, 2006 - 7:26 AM
You said: And please do inform me about the kind of slogans that they raise.
There slogan is they are not sectarian while they are all corrupt and worst form of Ehl-e-hadith. |
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student1
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Sunday, July 9, 2006 - 10:50 AM
Zulfee,
Please donot try to pollute this forum, unless and until you justify your criticism rationally and with explicit evidence no one will listen to you and you will waiste your time not others.
Can you explain which secterian group on Islam is close to the teachings of Islam? Can you prove which perticular school of thought is following the true teachings of Islam? All of them have their own interpretations of Islamic Literature. Some muslims say that Prophet(pbuh) is no longer with us and other muslims say that he is shaheed and is still alive.
Now you tell me Islamic expert who is right? Before criticising this website you should 1st present your argument with reasoning and evidences.
Prove from the Qur'an and Sunnah that the scholars of this website are corrupt followers of Ahl'l Hadith
Regards, |
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Nida_e_Khair
PAKISTAN
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 Posted - Sunday, July 9, 2006 - 11:15 AM
 All this Zulfee guy does is criticise others, while he himself is not perfect. What is his problem? Will anyone please tell me. |
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Zulfee
USA
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Posted - Sunday, July 9, 2006 - 6:11 PM
Student 1
You said : Now you tell me Islamic expert who is right?
Then why do you say you are better than majority. |
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Zulfee
USA
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Posted - Sunday, July 9, 2006 - 6:14 PM
Student 1
You said: Wife is a gift for a husband and this gift should not be misused in any way.
What a nonsense comment by the illiterate Muslim is!!!!!!!!
You said: Alhamdulilah I am a much better muslim especially better then those secterian and extremist muslims who donot even know the basics and ethics of Islam.
NO SELF-RECOMMENDATION!!
SELF-RECOMMENDATION HAS NO ADMITTANCE!!
ONLY THE IGNORANTS, LIKE YOU, DO LIKE THAT!!
If you are really a Muslim, you will have to tolerate otherwise leave the forums and if you have any respect!
JunaidJ,
Your reply is not unsatisfactory to some extent but very much biased. Wait, I will present you very soon the nonsense and ignorance based attacking comment of not only Students 1 but yours as well who consider themselves pious. These cursed guys are the worst stain on the name of piety.
On the other hand, JunaidJ, your reply is also like the illiterate one and is erroneous, foolish, stupid, nonsense and ignorance based. For your kind information, ‘if your erase my registration, I will do it again otherwise I vehemently HATE your FORGERY HOUSE (www.studying-islam.org). You do forgeries of Quran in the light of fabricated hadith only for your personal benefits. You and your whole team must be fully ashamed of doing forgeries for your personal benefits.
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Student 1
Why are you asking for cancelling the registration? Leave yourself, if you have any respect. No one will take you from your home.
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JunaidJ said: BOTTOM LINE: Ibrahim, for repeatedly violating the sanctity of our forums, his privileges MUST either be restricted or at the very least he MUST be warned quite sternly.
Oopss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would Ibrahim like to stern at the forgery house, at Lahore or Gujjraanwalla (his native city)????????????????????
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In this regard, it is my last post. Be happy and do the forgeries as you like and wait for the day when God will throw the ‘Mushrekeen’ into the hell fire.
Edited by: Zulfee on Sunday, July 09, 2006 6:19 PM |
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Nida_e_Khair
PAKISTAN
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 Posted - Monday, July 10, 2006 - 12:13 PM
| Mr. Zulfee, I must say that I'm sick and tired of your nonsense comments. All you do is just go around and criticise this website without informing anyone what's wrong with it. If you think these people are bad, then why have you joined their team? If this forum is so full of corrupt people as you say it is, then why don't you unregister? And by the way, what was the point of bringing up the argument on the topic of "sexual behaviour"? All you look forward to is arguments. So according to the Glorious Qur'an, it is you who are cursed. And you just can't stop criticising your Muslim brothers for being Ahl-e-Hadeeth, and at the same time you have the guts to call us Mushrikeen! The Qur'an says, "Woe to every scandal-monger....." That's all you do: spread scandals all the time. If you really believe that these people are the worst form of Ahl-e-Hadeeth, then prove it! If you prove it, I'll be on your side, I'm not kidding! |
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Zulfee
USA
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Posted - Monday, July 10, 2006 - 6:08 PM
Student 1
You said: - do not pollute the forums.
The forums are already polluted by you and the other dirty people like you. |
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Nida_e_Khair
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 10:44 AM
 Yes, maybe they are being "polluted" by good people like student1. But you know what Zulfee? You're only adding to that pollution! |
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Zulfee
USA
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Posted - Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 2:27 PM
Nida e khair spewed: I must say that I'm sick and tired of your nonsense comments.
I'm too sick and tired of your nonsense comments.
Edited by: Zulfee on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 3:14 PM |
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