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salmant

PAKISTAN
Topic initiated on Thursday, March 01, 2007  -  11:07 AM Reply with quote
Taqleed as a way to follow religion


Dear All,

I wanted to discuss the 'Taqleed' issue in the forum. Some traditional scholars consider it to be necessary for following religion correctly. The argument basically is that religion is a specialized discipline and for any specialized discipline, you need specialists to look for guidance e.g. doctors in case of medicine etc.

Taqleed has two aspects:

1) Following one of the Imams (out of 4 i.e. Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Sha'afi, Imam Hanbal, and Imam Malik), consistently

2) Following your trusted scholar (who belongs to one of the 4 schools you have chosen) without asking for a supporting argument to his instructions (quoting Shaikh Zulfiqar Ahmed Naqshbandi)

What are your comments on above?

Regards,
Salman
raushan

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Posted - Thursday, March 01, 2007  -  2:31 PM Reply with quote
salmant,
so I am a muqallid only when if choose to follow one of the four imams .
why not ,if we follow other Imams like Ibn e taimiya or others .

I may be wrong but think that non-muqallid doesnt exist.One can either be a muqallid of any(from past or present) or a muhaqqique.
plz clear me
oosman

USA
Posted - Thursday, March 01, 2007  -  5:31 PM Reply with quote
From what I understand, Taqleed is a bad thing - it means blindly following your imam or religious school without raising questions or without trying to understand the reasoning and logic. It is like blind faith. Correct me if incorrect.
usmani790

PAKISTAN
Posted - Thursday, March 01, 2007  -  5:35 PM Reply with quote
It will be a very dificult task to follow other than those four Imams espacially for a common person who may not have the capacity to find out the teaching of others Imams like Ibne taimiya.

Majority of common people follows the current schalors in one way or other and the majority of scholars also follows the either of four.

Only a Mujtahid may no need to follow a madhab rather how he find it.
salmant

PAKISTAN
Posted - Friday, March 02, 2007  -  6:39 AM Reply with quote
Well one may take either of the following approaches:

1) Follow one scholar (and school) blindly (i.e. without asking for supporting argument) in case of Taqleed.

2) Listen to various scholar's arguments on different matters, and follow whichever view seems to be closer to Quran and Sunnah on a particular matter.

3) Follow whatever I feel is right.

The first option is under discussion here. There is a strong emphasis on it by traditional scholars like Maulana Taqi Usmani, Shaikh Zulfiqar etc. Modernists are more in favor of third option. Second option is the middle way, but few choose it.

Regards,
Salman
usmani790

PAKISTAN
Posted - Friday, March 02, 2007  -  11:54 AM Reply with quote
Show us the straight way,The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace. (1:6-7)

Once I was listening to Maulana Shafi Usmani(audio recording)he said while explaining the above verses that the God here did not ask us to follow the Quran but He ask us to find those people if you wish to find the straight way.Surely Quran also shows us the straight way as well every one knows it.

Further the tradional scholars does not stop people from studying the religion them self rather they advised it.One can also ask questions as well but there is a way for it.I used listen them a lot and I also do my self study which increses my belief on them a lot.
salmant

PAKISTAN
Posted - Friday, March 02, 2007  -  12:13 PM Reply with quote
"They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)." (Quran 9:31)

The Prophet (sws) has explained the first part of the verse, by telling that following scholars blindly is equivalent to believing them to be your lords (Rubb).

Regards,
Salman
usmani790

PAKISTAN
Posted - Friday, March 02, 2007  -  5:50 PM Reply with quote
My presence here is enough to see that I am not one of those.Rather I am here to help people in this regards.

This is the messege I am trying to convey here from day one.Please don't fellow just one person bindly.Presenting here the other schelors work and views as well like Maulana Taqi Usmani,Maulana Maudoodi and many others as well.
aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Monday, March 05, 2007  -  2:54 AM Reply with quote
He who wishes to enter the Deen of Islaam and to be honoured by the honour of Eemaan, then he has only to bear witness that none has the right to be worshipped but Allaah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah and to establish the five Prayers, to pay Zakaah, to fast in the month of Ramadaan and to make Hajj to the House if he is able.

As for following one of the four madhhabs or any other madhhab, then that is not obligatory nor recommended and it is not binding for a Muslim to follow any one of them in particular. Rather he who follows one of them in particular, in every matter, then he is a mistaken sectarian and a blind-follower. He is one of those who split up their Deen and become sects and Allaah, the Most High, has forbidden splits within the Deen:


“Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects, you (0 Muhammad) have no concern in them in the least.” [Sooralul-An’aam (6):159]

“Be not of those who worship others along with Allaah; of those who split up their religion and became sects, each sect rejoicing in that which is with it.” [Soorat ar-Room (30): 31-32]

Islaam is a single Deen and there are no madhhabs or ways therein, which one is obligated to follow except for the way of Muhammad, the Messenger of Allaah (Peace be upon him) and his guidance.


“Say (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) This is my way; I invite unto Allaah, with sure knowledge. I and whosoever follows me (also must invite others to Allaah) with sure knowledge. Glorified and Exalted be Allaah. I am not of Mushrikeen (those who worship others along with Allaah).” [Soorah Yoosuf (12):108]
aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Monday, March 05, 2007  -  3:31 AM Reply with quote

usmani790 PAKISTAN Posted-Friday, March 02,07-11:54 AM
quote:

God here did not ask us to follow the Quran but He ask us to find those people if you wish to find the straight way.
And in proof of the above you quoted:
quote:

Show us the straight way,The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace. (1:6-7)
My dear Usmani, please note that the meanining of what the Qur'an says is:

"...The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace." (1:6-7)

and not ".....the way to those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace."

Thus you are wrong in infering that
quote:

He ask us to find those people if you wish to find the straight way.
This is a clear example of misinterpretation of the meanings of the Qur'an and whoever follows these scholars blindly is in grave disaster as well as those who spread such deviant views.
usmani790

PAKISTAN
Posted - Monday, March 05, 2007  -  6:23 AM Reply with quote
Dear Abusait

Why people go to colleges and universities to learn and why not they just bought the books and study them in their houses them self.Which way one will learn betterly?

If you thought I have explained wrongly,so would you please share with us yours version of undersating of these verses.

Show us the straight way,The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace. (1:6-7)

Regards,
salmant

PAKISTAN
Posted - Monday, March 05, 2007  -  10:21 AM Reply with quote
Quote: Why people go to colleges and universities to learn and why not they just bought the books and study them in their houses them self.Which way one will learn betterly?

Reply: Good point. Although, there are examples of people e.g. Imam Sha'afi who never went to a University instead learnt each of the discipline of Islamic Sciences from individual experts of that discipline. Please correct me if my information in this case is wrong.

Regards,
Salman
salmant

PAKISTAN
Posted - Monday, March 05, 2007  -  10:22 AM Reply with quote
Quote: Why people go to colleges and universities to learn and why not they just bought the books and study them in their houses them self.Which way one will learn betterly?

Reply: Good point. Although, there are examples of people e.g. Imam Sha'afi who never went to a University instead learnt each of the disciplines of Islamic Sciences from individual experts of that discipline. Please correct me if my information in this case is wrong.

Regards,
Salman
usmani790

PAKISTAN
Posted - Monday, March 05, 2007  -  11:59 AM Reply with quote
Exactly,the point here is that just by reading the Quran one could do the mistake for finding the right way.But when there is teacher to help you so the chances of getting the right path is more ovious.

Care should be given before slecting the teacher.If one will be sincere so God is always there to help him.
salmant

PAKISTAN
Posted - Tuesday, March 06, 2007  -  6:42 AM Reply with quote
Dear Usmani,

I think it depends why you are reading Quran. Is the purpose to draw legal directives (which are few by the way) out of it, then ofcourse a trained scholar must be there as a teacher. But if the purpose is to understand the message contained in it, then the presence of a teacher might be helpful, but not critical.

Regards,
usmani790

PAKISTAN
Posted - Tuesday, March 06, 2007  -  7:57 AM Reply with quote
Quote:-But if the purpose is to understand the message contained in it, then the presence of a teacher might be helpful, but not critical.


Its depand how good one wish to understand Quran.See how it was important for God Him self that he send a Messenger along with the Quran who can thought us what is written there.

We have revealed to you the Zikr (Qur’ân) so that you may explain to the people what has been sent down for them.(15:9)

Explanation By Maulana Taqi Usmani

The word “Zikr” has been used here for the Holy Qur’ân as has been used in the verse 15:9 and it has been made clear that the people can only benefit from its guidance when they are led by the explanations of the Holy Prophet (pbuh).

Again, the words “for the people” indicate (especially in the original Arabic context), that the Holy Prophet’s (pbuh) explanation is always needed by “everyone.”

Now, if everyone, in every age is in need of the prophetic explanation, without which they cannot fully benefit from the Holy Book, how would it be useful for them to preserve the Qur’ânic text and leave its prophetic explanation at the mercy of distorters, extending to it no type of protection whatsoever.

Regards,

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