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marwan

UNITED KINGDOM
Topic initiated on Wednesday, November 08, 2006  -  7:04 PM Reply with quote
Has Islam become Muhammadanism?


It strikes me that Muslims are just one step behind Christians on the issue of how they treat Muhammad, when they Call Jesus God, but Muslims are actually worse than Christians in some things.

Christians say that Jesus is God.

Muhammadans say that Muhammad is the best creation, that is, he is no. 2 after Allah. That he knows the future, can guide us to Jannah. That the universe was created so Muhammad could exist etc...

Christians tell us how great the character of Jesus is.

Muhammadans tell us how Muhammad was the kindest, best looking, wisest, most important, most generous and all around most amazing being to ever exist after Allah.

Christians try to follow guidance ascribed to Jesus who they think of as God.

Muhammadans make it their religion to follow everything that is ASCRIBED centuries after the prophet, in his words and actions, even when they contradict reason, evidence and the Qur'an (1 example, punishment for adultery another, regarding the sufficiency of the Qur'an etc...). That is, they put the alleged words of the prophet so high that they will abandon the Qur'an in their favour. This is worse than the Christians because whereas the Christians at least believe that what they are following is revelation of God, Muslims actually call it the guidance of Muhammad, a man.

Christian say Jesus performed many miracles.
Muhammadans say Muhammad performed many miracles (apart from the Qur'an and apart from any evidence from the Qur'an)

etc etc etc...

I have long since kept note of all the Muhammad worship hadith and sayings of scholars.

It is my contention that there is always a trend to corrupt religion among its followers. It happened with the Jews, the Christians and everyone else before Muhammad, so why not Islam?

Only difference, is that whereas before the revelation was altered and other sources added. In Islam, only the other sources were added, the hadith.

Any opinions?

Edited by: marwan on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:23 PM
marwan

UNITED KINGDOM
Posted - Wednesday, November 08, 2006  -  7:22 PM Reply with quote
Muhammad the greatest

Sahih Muslim,

Bk 30, Number 5655:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I shall be pre−eminent arriongst the descendants of
Adam on the Day of Resurrection and I will be the first intercessor and the first whose intercession will be accepted (by Allah).

Muhammad the miracle worker

Bk 30, Number 5656:
Anas reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) called for water and he was given a vessel and the people began to perform ablution in that and I counted (the persons) and they were between fifty and eighty and I saw water which was spouting from his fingers.

Bk 30, Number 5658:
Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and his Companions were at a place known as az−Zaura' (az−Zaurd' is a place in the bazar of Medina near the mosque)
that he called for a vessel containing water. He put his hand in that. And there began to spout (water) between his fingers and all the Companions performed ablution. Qatada, one of the narrators in the chain of narrators, said: Abu Hamza (the kunya of Hadrat Anas b. Malik), how many people were they? He said: They were about three hundred. (contradiction?)

Bk 30, Number 5661:
Jabir reported that a person came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) and asked for food. And he gave him half a wasq of barley, and the person and his wife and their guests
kept on making use of it (as a food) until he weighed it (in order to find out the actual quantity, and it was no more). He
came to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) (and informed him about it). He said: Had you not weighed it, you would be eating out of it and it would have remained intact for you.

etc... I'm sure there are many more hadith etc...

Edited by: marwan on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:29 PM
perv1

UNITED KINGDOM
Posted - Wednesday, November 08, 2006  -  8:14 PM Reply with quote
Salaam marwan

Excellent post(s). I think the quran is quite clear on the issue i.e. there is no distinction between the messangers and also prophet Mohd is told to say he is no more than human being, does not know the future or the unseen and his job is simply to deliver the message. Unfortunately vast majority of muslims (in the indian subcontinent at least) have gone so far that, never mind the prophets, they subscribe huge divine powers to hunderds if not thousands of so called peers (saints)that they are hardly going to accept what the Quran may say about the prophet(s). I also fear your ideas are way beyond the grasp of many on this forum. As the saying goes: you have to walk before you can run. Unfortunately most are not even at the crawling stage yet. If you want proof just try reading some of the topics.
Regards
oosman

USA
Posted - Wednesday, November 08, 2006  -  8:35 PM Reply with quote
last verse of sura Kahf:

"Say (O Muhammad SAW): "I am only a man like you."

This lets us know that he was just like us, a normal human being.
perv1

UNITED KINGDOM
Posted - Wednesday, November 08, 2006  -  8:47 PM Reply with quote
Salaam

quote:

"Say (O Muhammad SAW): "I am only a man like you."


Thank you.
sksamsherali

INDIA
Posted - Thursday, November 09, 2006  -  7:37 AM Reply with quote
Salam,

Excellent brethren.

Peace
Samsher.
Rakhtal

PAKISTAN
Posted - Thursday, November 09, 2006  -  10:24 AM Reply with quote
quote:

"Say (O Muhammad SAW): "I am only a man like you."
This lets us know that he was just like us, a normal human being.

In other words (having the same meaning), if I say, there is no difference between Muhammad SAW, me and you then, ‘Am I right?’
sahira

UNITED KINGDOM
Posted - Thursday, November 09, 2006  -  10:28 AM Reply with quote
salaam marwaan bother,
how do you define majority by minority? is the Prophet not the best example to follow for his umma? following the Prophets way of life does not mean we associate him PBUH to Allah SWT. in the Quran sharif it tells you in many a surah's that O Mohammed PBUH tell your people ..... so is Allah SWT not ordering the Prophet PBUH to show us the way? so what you are saying is all those who follow the hadiths are giving more importance to the Prophet PBUH than to Allah SWT. im sorry i9 dont agree to your post you are doing nothing but genralising.
raushan

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Posted - Thursday, November 09, 2006  -  2:37 PM Reply with quote
marwan

salam,

how many of" these muslims"have ever read any book of hadith.

how many of ''those muslims '' ever tried to convey the message of Quran to ''these muslims''.

if someone is really serious about the duty to proclaim the clear Message(036.017 )he/she must go to the masses and taste the experience.
aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Thursday, November 09, 2006  -  5:30 PM Reply with quote
quote:

salaam marwaan bother,
how do you define majority by minority? is the Prophet not the best example to follow for his umma? following the Prophets way of life does not mean we associate him PBUH to Allah SWT. in the Quran sharif it tells you in many a surah's that O Mohammed PBUH tell your people ..... so is Allah SWT not ordering the Prophet PBUH to show us the way? so what you are saying is all those who follow the hadiths are giving more importance to the Prophet PBUH than to Allah SWT. im sorry i9 dont agree to your post you are doing nothing but genralising.


If you want to know the truth behind Marwaan's writing, please see the shocking photographs at the following URL: http://www.ahya.org/amm/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=191 - 22KB - 11 Apr 2006
aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Thursday, November 09, 2006  -  5:36 PM Reply with quote
quote:

quote:

salaam marwaan bother,
how do you define majority by minority? is the Prophet not the best example to follow for his umma? following the Prophets way of life does not mean we associate him PBUH to Allah SWT. in the Quran sharif it tells you in many a surah's that O Mohammed PBUH tell your people ..... so is Allah SWT not ordering the Prophet PBUH to show us the way? so what you are saying is all those who follow the hadiths are giving more importance to the Prophet PBUH than to Allah SWT. im sorry i9 dont agree to your post you are doing nothing but genralising.


If you want to know the truth behind Marwaan's writing, please see the shocking photographs at the following URL: http://www.ahya.org/amm/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=191 - 22KB - 11 Apr 2006


http://www.ahya.org/amm/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=191
aboosait

INDIA
Posted - Thursday, November 09, 2006  -  5:43 PM Reply with quote
quote:

quote:

"Say (O Muhammad SAW): "I am only a man like you."
This lets us know that he was just like us, a normal human being.

In other words (having the same meaning), if I say, there is no difference between Muhammad SAW, me and you then, ‘Am I right?’


Please read the whole verse before making such comments. The answer to your question is in the remaing part of the verse.
sahira

UNITED KINGDOM
Posted - Saturday, November 11, 2006  -  2:19 PM Reply with quote
yes aboosait i saw the pics and your point is what? we know that is going on around the world it does not answer my question on how you define majority by minority. from what i can gather you marwan and shamsher dont belive in the hadiths so i can call you a minority to the majority but how do you justify what marwan is saying that islam is becoming Mohammadin.
sahira

UNITED KINGDOM
Posted - Saturday, November 11, 2006  -  2:22 PM Reply with quote
you have chosen to give example of the jahil people of islam how does that make them the majority? how do you justify accusing all of islam to become mohammadin from these pictures. if you are going to accuse people of things atleast start with a descent arguement where you have proof to back your accusations
sahira

UNITED KINGDOM
Posted - Saturday, November 11, 2006  -  2:27 PM Reply with quote
the quran tells us the Prophet is a mere mortal yes we agree but your telling me the rest of us can be compared to someone so pious, yes he PBUH was human....but no other man can be compared to to him and never will,when it comes to practicing islam.
marwan

UNITED KINGDOM
Posted - Saturday, November 11, 2006  -  2:35 PM Reply with quote
salaam sahira.

“… If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are Unbelievers (Kaafiroon).”
(5:44)

“… If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are Wrong Doers (Zalimoon).”
(5:45)

“…Judge between them by what Allah has sent down and do not follow their whims and desires. And beware of them lest they lure you away from some of what Allah has sent down to you….”
(5:49)

So I want you (sahira) to, judging by the Qur'an, give me the evidence that we are supposed to follow for guidance anything other than the Qur'an. If you can't do this, and you still insist on following other sources then by Allah's word, you are a purposeful denier of the truth (kaafir) and a wrong doer (zaalim).

and to pre answer a verse or verses you may quote: -

Obey Allah and Obey the Messenger; One or Two Sources?


First we must summarise:

1. The Qur’an is complete and detailed for our guidance.
a. This implies that other sources of guidance are not necessary.
b. Anything not in the Qur’an (by virtue of its completeness) is not binding upon us.
2. The excellent example of the prophet can be found in the Qur’an in the same way it can for Ibrahim.
3. The only revelation/inspiration given to Muhammad was the Qur’an. That is, it is the only guidance from Allah that reaches him.
a. Those who do not judge by what is REVEALED are unbelievers/wrong doers/rebellious.

Now one may say “What if what is revealed tells us to follow what is not revealed (Like Hadith)?” This lesson will deal with this situation, inshallah.

First of all, judging by what is revealed can only happen with the Qur’an. As the Hadith is not revealed, there is no circumstance under which we may judge from it. If Allah says to judge by Hadith (by implication or whatever) then this would contradict with the command to judge by what has been revealed. To continue…

The major argument of the followers of Hadith for the need for and validity of Hadith can be found in the “obey Allah and obey the Messenger” type ayahs.

Lets consider what these could possibly mean: -

1. Obey what Allah says and obey what the prophet independently (independent of the revelation) says.
2. Obey what the prophet says which is revealed to him from Allah.
3. Obey what the prophet says as a result of what was revealed to him from Allah (As in when he judges by the Qur’an).

Obey Allah and obey the Messenger: -

“Say, ‘Obey Allah and the Messenger.’ Then if they turn away, Allah does not love the disbelievers.”
(3:32)

Disobedience makes you a disbeliever.

“You who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger. And do not turn away from him when you are able to hear.”
(8:20)

“The reply of the believers when they are summoned to Allah and His Messenger so that He (Allah) can judge between them, is to say, ‘We hear and we obey.’ They are ones who are successful.”
(24:51)

Here we clearly see the phrase ‘Allah and His Messenger’ is followed by a clear indication that is the judgement of Allah (He) that is obeyed when you obey the judgement of ‘Allah and His Messenger’. Only Allah judges (12:40, 18:26), and this confirms the understanding just reached.

“All who obey Allah and His Messenger and have awe of Allah and fear of Him, they are the ones who are victorious.”
(24:52)

“You who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger. And do not turn away from him when you are able to hear.”
(8:20)

This verse tells us that Allah and his messenger are obeyed through the mouth of the Messenger. This is obvious, and Allah is exact when he states to obey ‘Allah and his messenger’, because if the messenger is delivering the words of Allah, how can you disobey his words and still obey Allah?

Etc…

So are these verses telling us to obey what Allah says and obey what the prophet independently (independent of the revelation) says?

Muhammad has no power from himself to guide correctly: -

“When the servant of Allah stands calling on Him, they almost swarm all over him. Say: 'I call only upon my Lord and do not associate anyone else with Him.' Say: 'I possess no power to do you harm or to guide you right.' Say: 'No one can protect me from Allah and I will never find any refuge apart from Him –only in transmitting from Allah and His Messages. As for him who disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he will have the Fire of Hell, remaining in it timelessly, for ever and ever.' So that when they see what they were promised, they will know who has less support and smaller numbers. Say: 'I do not know whether what you are promised is close or whether my Lord will appoint a longer time before it.'”
(72:19-25)

“Surely you cannot guide whom you like/love, but Allah guides whom He pleases, and He knows best the followers of the right way.
And they (Muhammad’s contemporaries) say: If we follow the guidance (Qur’an) with you, we shall be carried off from our country. What ! have We not settled them in a safe, sacred territory to which fruits of every kind shall be drawn?-- a sustenance from Us; but most of them do not know.”
(28:56-57)

This not only tells us that Muhammad cannot guide whom he likes, but it also clearly indicates that his contemporaries recognised that the guidance they were being called to was the guidance with him (the Qur’an) and not his guidance

Muhammad follows only the Qur’an: -

“And when Our clear communications are recited to them, those who hope not for Our meeting say: Bring a Qur’an other than this or change it. Say: It is not for me to change it of myself; I only follow what has been revealed to me; surely I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the punishment of a mighty day.”
(10:15)

“Say: ‘I am nothing new among the Messengers. I have no idea what will be done with me or you. I only follow what has been revealed to me. I am only a clear warner.’” (46:9)

“Say: O people! indeed there has come to you the truth from your Lord (The Qur’an), therefore whoever receives guidance, he does so only for the good of his own soul, and whoever goes astray, he goes astray only to the detriment of it, and I am not a disposer of affairs for you.
And follow what is revealed to you and be patient till Allah should give judgment, and He is the best of the judges.”
(10:108-109)

Muhammad is made to proclaim that the truth which gives guidance is that which is sent down to him, the Qur’an. And that all of us must follow that which is revealed.

Muhammad’s judgements come only from the word of Allah: -

“"Am I to desire someone other than Allah as a judge when it is He Who has sent down the Book explained in detail?" Those We have given the Book know that it has been sent down from your Lord with truth, so on no account be among the doubters”
(6: 114)

“Surely We have revealed the Book to you with the truth that you may judge between people by means of that which Allah has taught you; and be not an advocate on behalf of the treacherous.”
(4:105)

Muhammad warns by the Qur’an, not by his own wisdom: -

“Say: What thing is the weightiest in testimony? Say: Allah is witness between you and me; and this Qur’an has been revealed to me that with it I may warn you and whomsoever it reaches. Do you really bear witness that there are other gods with Allah? Say: I do not bear witness. Say: He is only one Allah, and surely I am clear of that which you set up (with Him).”
(6:19)

Thus it is clear that Muhammad was not to warn by his own wisdom or anything else (what people would now call Hadith and Sunnah).

Muhammad guides by the Qur’an: -

“Allah has prepared for them severe chastisement, therefore be careful of (your duty to) Allah, O men of understanding who believe! Allah has indeed revealed to you a reminder,
A Messenger who recites to you the clear revelations of Allah so that he may bring forth those who believe and do good deeds from darkness into light; and whoever believes in Allah and does good deeds, He will cause him to enter gardens beneath which rivers now, to abide therein forever, Allah has indeed given him a goodly sustenance.”
(65:10-11)

So it is clear that Muhammad did not give any guidance apart/independent from the Qur’an.

The next possibility refers to obeying the revelation that Muhammad is delivering to his people.

In this case, what Muhammad is saying is in fact the word of Allah and it must be obeyed, the next verses help in seeing this: -

Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, with elaboration: -

“And obey Allah and obey the messenger and be cautious; but if you turn back, then know that only a clear deliverance of the message is (incumbent) on Our messenger” (5:92)

Here we are told that if we disobey Allah and the messenger, then upon the MESSENGER is only the task of delivering the message (that is, of reciting the Qur’an to the people).

“Say: Obey Allah and obey the messenger; but if you turn back (if you disobey him), then on him rests that which is imposed on him (clear deliverance of the message) and on you rests that which is imposed on you; and if you obey him, you will be guided; and nothing rests on the messenger but clear delivering (of the message)”.
(24:54)
‘and if you obey him, you will be guided’ but from (72:19-25), we see that Muhammad has no power to guide aright, hence we see here that in the context of obeying Allah and his messenger, the obeying of Muhammad is in actual fact the obedience of Allah, which ties in with what immediately follows it, namely that his mission was simply to clearly deliver the revelation (The Qur’an) and (4:80 below).

And if we once again look at the following verses: -

“When the servant of Allah stands calling on Him, they almost swarm all over him. Say: 'I call only upon my Lord and do not associate anyone else with Him.' Say: 'I possess no power to do you harm or to guide you right.' Say: 'No one can protect me from Allah and I will never find any refuge apart from Him –only in transmitting from Allah and His Messages. As for him who disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he will have the Fire of Hell, remaining in it timelessly, for ever and ever.' So that when they see what they were promised, they will know who has less support and smaller numbers. Say: 'I do not know whether what you are promised is close or whether my Lord will appoint a longer time before it.'”
(72:19-25)

If we study the two underlined statements in this ayah we very clearly get an understanding of what it means to say ‘Obey Allah and his messenger’. The first statement: -

' Say: 'I (The messenger Muhammad) possess no power to do you harm or to guide you right.'

This very clearly indicates that Muhammad CANNOT guide us correctly (To Jannah or away from Jahhannam).

Yet the next statement says: -

As for him who disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he will have the Fire of Hell, remaining in it timelessly, for ever and ever.'

And it implies that Obeying Allah and the messenger guides to Jannah and away from Jahannam! And as Muhammad cannot guide us, but Allah and his messenger can guide us, it therefore follows that Allah and his messenger does not refer to the separate obedience of Muhammad and Allah for our guidance, but instead t the obedience of Allah through the obedience of the Messenger when he recites the Qur’an .

“And if you (o people) reject (the truth), nations before you did indeed reject (the truth); and nothing is incumbent on the messenger but a plain delivering (of the message)”.
(29:18)

No duty is imposed upon the messenger but to proclaim the message.

“And obey Allah and obey the messenger, but if you turn back, then upon Our messenger devolves only the clear delivery (of the message)”.
(64:12)

No duty is imposed upon the messenger but to proclaim the message.

“Whoever obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah. If anyone turns away, we did not send you to them as their keeper.”
(4:80)

If you obey the Messenger (NOT IF YOU OBEY MUHAMMAD), you have obeyed Allah, and if anyone disobeys (turns away), then it is not the messenger’s (in this case Muhammad) job to look after them (the disbelievers) or arrange their affairs. Which means that for those who obey Allah and his messenger (The Qur’an), the messenger will then have the responsibility of looking out for them or arranging their affairs. This is dealt within lesson 5.

(4:80) very clearly shows that obeying Muhammad was the same as obeying Allah. This is because Muhammad ordered only what Allah ordered (In the Qur’an), this also shows that if Muhammad said something that was not from the Qur’an, then it would not be binding as it is not what Allah said and therefore would not fit (4:80).

Some other indications of the fact that Obey Allah and obey the messenger, is referring to the word of Allah as spoken by the prophet are as follows: -

“And an announcement from Allah and his Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and his Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore, if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve”
(9:3)

Was this referring to two different announcements, one from the prophet and the other from Allah? No! Here lies the logic of saying Allah and his messenger, because even though it is the word of Allah, it is spoken by Muhammad and hence defined as his word too. So if you say obey Allah and not Muhammad, no one would obey the Qur’an, if you say obey Allah only all the time, then there would be ambiguity with respect to obeying the (Qur’anic) words when they came from Muhammad’s mouth. (4:80) fits in with this perfectly.

This is what Allah does, he reveals his message to a human who proclaims it, Allah has never spoken to towns and cities directly, it was always through a messenger, through the mouth of the messenger.

Of note is the fact that we never read in the Qur’an words like "Obey Allah and obey Muhammad", there is something instructive in this, as it is not Muhammad the man that was to be obeyed, it was the messenger that was to be obeyed, this is to emphasise that what is to be obeyed is the "message" of God and not the words, ideas or views of the man Muhammad.

So when you obey the messenger, you are of course obeying the message and hence Allah.

Allah Decides and the messenger decides the same way, no separation in this: -

“When Allah and His Messenger have decided something it is not for any man or woman of the believers to have a choice about it. Anyone who disobeys Allah and His Messenger is clearly misguided.”
(33:36)

It is obvious that Muhammad will decide whatever Allah decides, and hence there cannot be any separation in this regard (that is, that you would obey the decisions of Allah in the Qur’an, and separately obey the decisions of Muhammad even if they have no Qur’anic basis). The next verses clarify that it is only Allah who judges anything and not Muhammad. That is why Muhammad can make no judgement unless it is Allah’s.

Only Allah Judges: -

“Surely the Hukm (Law and Judgment) is for none but Allah”
(12:40)

“He does not make anyone His associate in His Hukm (Law and Judgment)”
(18:26)

“Shall I seek a Law-giver other than Allah? When He it is Who has revealed to you the Book distinctly elucidated.”
(6:114)

And so we see that there is no separation of Authority in the phrase ‘Obey Allah and obey the messenger’, it really just means, obey the word of Allah by obeying what is revealed through the prophet.

Hence the 3rd possibility of absolutely obeying for all time what the prophet says as a result of what was revealed to him from Allah (As in when he judges by the Qur’an) is not to be accepted, as the prophet’s individual judgement is not the judgement or word of Allah and hence cannot be described as Allah and the messenger’s word/judgement (it is merely the judgement of a societal leader for his time and place, and not revelation and guidance for all humanity). This can only happen if it is first Allah’s judgement (That is, if it is contained in the Qur’an). Because for example, Muhammad used his judgement in (9:43) and was wrong, because it was not the judgement of Allah.

Let us not forget that the Qur’an is full of Allah’s judgements and answers to the kuffar and Muslims, recall: -

“The rejecters say: ‘Why is not the Qur’an revealed to him all at once? Thus (it is revealed gradually) that We may strengthen your heart thereby and We have arranged it in right order. And no example do they bring to you but We bring to you the truth and the best explanation”
(25:32-33)

“O you who believe! Do not put questions about things which if declared to you may trouble you, and if you question about them when the Qur’an is being revealed, they shall be declared to you; Allah pardons this, and Allah is Forgiving, Forbearing.” (5:101)

And so Muhammad would have answered his opponents directly with the Word of Allah. Recall all the places Allah says ‘Say (Qul)’ to the believers and unbelievers, and ‘They say (Qalu/Qaal)’ or they ask…

Consider the next verse: -

“Follow what has been revealed to you from your Lord and do not follow guardians besides Him, how little do you mind.”
(7:3)

This is general in scope, so we should not even take Muhammad/Messenger as a guardian other than Allah when it comes to guidance. This is the clear command of Allah to follow what has been revealed. Not what the prophet says, not what he does, but what is revealed.

But to obey what the prophet says as a result of what was revealed to him from Allah (As in when he judges by the Qur’an) is in fact valid because of his societal role (as indicated in the Qur’an) apart from being the messenger (this is dealt with in the next lesson (5)).

In conclusion, consider the following: -

“Say: I only call upon my Lord, and I do not associate any one with Him.
Say: I do not control for you evil or good.
Say: Surely no one can protect me against Allah, nor can I find besides Him any refuge:
(Mine is) but a delivery from Allah and His messages; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger surely he shall have the fire of hell to abide therein for a long time.
Until when they see what they are threatened with, then shall they know who is weaker in helpers and fewer in number.
Say (O Muhammad, unto the disbelievers): I know not whether that which ye are promised is nigh, or if my Lord hath set a distant term for it.
The Knower of the unseen! and He does not reveal His secrets to any,
Except to him whom He chooses as a messenger; for surely He makes a guard to march before him and after him,
So that He may make evident that they have truly delivered the messages of their Lord, and He encompasses what is with them and He records the number of all things.”
(72:20-28)

“"Am I to desire someone other than Allah as a judge when it is He Who has sent down the Book explained in detail?" Those We have given the Book know that it has been sent down from your Lord with truth, so on no account be among the doubters.”
(6: 114)

Consider this, Allah has told us that the Qur’an is detailed, clear and complete for our guidance, what sense does it then make to say that Allah is telling us to follow more/separate guidance from Muhammad?

Consider: -

“Is it not enough for them that We have revealed to you the Book which is recited to them? Most surely there is mercy in this and a reminder for a people who believe.” (29:51)

Even from this point of view, in order for the Qur’an to be without contradiction, ‘obey Allah and the messenger’ cannot mean to obey two separate sources for guidance.

Edited by: marwan on Saturday, July 10, 2010 2:10 PM

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