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tilawat

PAKISTAN
Posted - Friday, November 03, 2006  -  10:27 PM Reply with quote
oosman

So you mean Allah has no objection to one's being made a slave and insulted in any manner?
tilawat

PAKISTAN
Posted - Friday, November 03, 2006  -  10:27 PM Reply with quote
oosman

So you mean Allah has no objection to one's being made a slave and insulted in any manner?
oosman

USA
Posted - Saturday, November 04, 2006  -  4:35 PM Reply with quote
Allah (SWT) will do the ultimate justice in the hereafter. If a slave has been oppressed, the oppressor will have to explain and pay the price.
marwan

UNITED KINGDOM
Posted - Saturday, November 04, 2006  -  8:08 PM Reply with quote
salaam,

Regarding when to break the fast, the answer is very simple.

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It is made lawful to you to go into your wives on the night of the fast; they are an apparel for you and you are an apparel for them; Allah knew that you acted unfaithfully to yourselves, so He has turned to you (mercifully) and removed from you (this burden); so now be in contact with them and seek what Allah has ordained for you, and eat and drink until the white thread of dawn becomes distinct from the black thread of night, then complete the fast till night, and have not contact with them while you keep to the mosques; these are the limits of Allah, so do not go near them. Thus does Allah make clear His communications for men that they may guard (against evil).


very easy, do not eat or drink from dawn/first light until night, not sunset, not dusk, NIGHT.

The guidance of Allah is clear, so everyone please follow it.

salaam

Edited by: marwan on Saturday, November 04, 2006 8:08 PM
tilawat

PAKISTAN
Posted - Saturday, November 04, 2006  -  11:57 PM Reply with quote
quote:

Allah (SWT) will do the ultimate justice in the hereafter. If a slave has been oppressed, the oppressor will have to explain and pay the price.


Why not leave justice in case of slave-masters also to hereafter? Do you mean Allah's laws are discriminatory?
oosman

USA
Posted - Sunday, November 05, 2006  -  12:26 AM Reply with quote
I am not sure what you are asking. Can you explain please?
raushan

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Posted - Sunday, November 05, 2006  -  8:02 AM Reply with quote
we are still discussing slaves ,a fictitious thing in present world.
oosman

USA
Posted - Monday, November 06, 2006  -  12:18 AM Reply with quote
It is not fictitious, it still exists today, especially in the third world. Also you have not explained clearly what you are trying to ask.
tilawat

PAKISTAN
Posted - Monday, November 06, 2006  -  1:55 AM Reply with quote
quote:

I am not sure what you are asking. Can you explain please?


You presumably meant that the slaves will be requited in the hereafter if they are insulted and that God is concerned only with the protection of slave-masters in this world (and hereafter also).
oosman

USA
Posted - Monday, November 06, 2006  -  4:07 PM Reply with quote
What do you think of the innocent Muslim and Christian Black people slaughtered by Arab Janjaweed in Sudan. What of the Bosnians and Palestinians massacred? The oppressors do not get their due deserve in this life. Does that mean Allah is on their side?

The example of slaves is similar. They were oppressed by their owners, and Allah will do His justice eventually, then the oppressors will get their just deserves.
tilawat

PAKISTAN
Posted - Monday, November 06, 2006  -  10:23 PM Reply with quote
Oosman

Excuse me you did not get my point. I had meant that Allah does not seem to be concerned with the slaves. He treats slaves as a category apart and never addresses them to advise them what to do to avoid insult which is inherent in their very status as a slave.
oosman

USA
Posted - Monday, November 06, 2006  -  10:32 PM Reply with quote
Salaam tilawat,

What is the point of advising a slave when the slave has no power to act on it? That is why Allah orders the slave owners various injunctions, like not to force them into prostituition. If Allah forgot about the slaves, then He would have issued no injunction to the slave owners. It is not true that Allah does not care about slaves.

And that is my opinion, which may be wrong.
tilawat

PAKISTAN
Posted - Wednesday, November 08, 2006  -  1:08 AM Reply with quote
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Salaam tilawat,

What is the point of advising a slave when the slave has no power to act on it? That is why Allah orders the slave owners various injunctions, like not to force them into prostituition. If Allah forgot about the slaves, then He would have issued no injunction to the slave owners. It is not true that Allah does not care about slaves.

And that is my opinion, which may be wrong.


Dear Oosman

So you agree that Allah had no objection to slavery as such which we today consider a great insult to human beings who are born to be free. You mean He wants the slaves to be resigned to their fate to appease the believers who were mostly slave owners and did not like to part with them. He never exhorts them to get free as Marx calls upon the workers to unite and rise against the capitaliists who enslaved them as they have nothing to loose but their chains.
I would advise you to read 'Hidaya', a book of 'Fiqqah', to see how a slave owning society is to look after its slaves.
oosman

USA
Posted - Wednesday, November 08, 2006  -  2:31 AM Reply with quote
Dear tilawat,

Allah exhorts the slave owners to free the slaves. Allah exhorts the believers to free slaves to earn rewards and get closer to Him. Allah tells the slave owner to not prevent the slave from freeing him/her-self by setting a price.

If Allah were to tell the slave to free himself, then what is a slave supposed to do? Kill his master and run away? Is that what you want? A slave is powerless to do anything, that is why Allah directs his commands to the slave owner who can actually do something about it.
Nida_e_Khair

PAKISTAN
Posted - Friday, November 10, 2006  -  1:15 PM Reply with quote
Is it true that you can't trim or shave your hair (armpit or pubic) in the state of impurity?

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