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Junaidj

CANADA
Posted - Monday, November 13, 2006  -  5:47 AM Reply with quote
I have a question:

Technically and legally, for a man the awrah is from navel to the knees. Parts which must be covered.

How is the awrah of a woman defined? Does it include the head?
Nida_e_Khair

PAKISTAN
Posted - Monday, November 13, 2006  -  9:54 AM Reply with quote
Brother Junaid, Assalaamu 'Alaikum. That's the whole argument that's going on here. I think that a woman's hair is her 'awrah, whereas some in this forum think it's not. Brother marwan has proved that it is 'awrah. People like oosman say that it is a matter of interpretation; and you know what? They're not wrong in saying so. It is a matter of interpretation, since the Qur'an does not explicitly mention the covering of the head. However, it is quite logical and an absolute truth to say that a woman's hair is her 'awrah because:
1) the women of the Prophet's (SAW) time were never seen with their heads uncovered, or it would have been mentioned in some tradition; but, if I'm not wrong, even unauthentic traditions do not mention such a thing.
2) the majority of the scholars say that a woman's whole body is 'awrah, except the face, and hands upto the wrists.
3) a woman's hair is one of the parts that carries her attractiveness. Ask any man!

Thus, it is right to say that a woman's hair is her 'awrah.

Wallaahu A'lam.
oosman

USA
Posted - Monday, November 13, 2006  -  1:03 PM Reply with quote
nida,

do you think a woman can go to hell just because she does not cover her hair?
marwan

UNITED KINGDOM
Posted - Monday, November 13, 2006  -  1:49 PM Reply with quote
can you go to hell if you tell a lie? if you eat pork? etc...

The point is not whether you go to hell from it, it may be possible to disobey allah in small things and still go to jannah if Allah decided to forgive.

The real point is, as Muslims, we are required to obey Allah COMPLETELY. not pick and choose according to personal desires.

What kind of a muslim seeks for ways to disobey Allah in small things?
oosman

USA
Posted - Monday, November 13, 2006  -  2:17 PM Reply with quote
We are not seeking ways and excuses to disobey Allah. It is our understanding that this is what Allah is asking of us. We have used good intentions and our intellect that Allah gave us to come to our conclusion. We may be wrong or right, but we are not trying to find excuses to disobey Allah. To think that we are, makes one feel there is some arrogance in your part that you know what lies in the hearts of others. Only Allah knows best what a person hides and reveals.
Junaidj

CANADA
Posted - Monday, November 13, 2006  -  10:03 PM Reply with quote
quote:

It is a matter of interpretation, since the Qur'an does not explicitly mention the covering of the head.


Actually all religion is interpretation. If we expand this debate to include niqab as well, then you'll note that there are some arguments proposed as well.

http://muttaqun.com/niqab.html

Prescribed Methods of Covering

Tafseer - Ibn Katheer
"Allah commanded the muslim women to cover this sheet on top of them to cover their bodies except one eye, when it is necessary for them to come out of their homes."

Tafseer - Commentary by Ibn Jarir and Ahkam-ul-Quran, Vol.III, p.457
Imam Muhammad bin Sirin said: "When I asked Ubaida bin Sufyan bin al-Harith (ra) the meaning of this verse and how the jalbaab was to worn, he demonstrated it to me by pulling a sheet of cloth over his head to cover his entire body, leaving the left eye uncovered. This was also the explanation of the word 'Alaihinna in this verse"

Tafseer - Alu'si, Rul-ul-Ma'ani, Vol. 22, p. 89
"Ibn Jarir Tabari and Ibn Al-Mundhir described the method of wearing the jalbaab according to Ibn Abbas (ra) and Qatadah (ra). The sheet should be wrapped around from the top, covering the forehead, then bringing one side of the sheet to cover the face below the eyes so that most of the face and the upper body is covered. This will leave both eyes uncovered (which is allowed in necessity).

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As you can note, all sides in the debate from conservative to the liberal, each have their own arguments.

http://www.muhajabah.com/niqab-index.htm

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And if the reason is attractiveness that must be hidden, then by that logic the face must be hidden too, ask any man :)

Edited by: junaidj on Monday, November 13, 2006 10:03 PM
Junaidj

CANADA
Posted - Monday, November 13, 2006  -  10:15 PM Reply with quote
quote:

The real point is, as Muslims, we are required to obey Allah COMPLETELY. not pick and choose according to personal desires.


http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/ikhtilaf.htm

(ikhtilafu ummati rahmatun li al-nas).

"The hadith "Difference of opinion in my Community is a mercy for people" has many benefits...........benefit is that the legally responsible person can choose to follow whichever he likes among them.
waseem

UNITED KINGDOM
Posted - Monday, November 13, 2006  -  10:18 PM Reply with quote
Salaam brother Marwan

In referance to slavery please see

surah 4 24-25
surah 23 verse 5-6
surah 24 verse 33
surah 33 verse 50
surah 70 29-30
marwan

UNITED KINGDOM
Posted - Monday, November 13, 2006  -  10:40 PM Reply with quote
quote:

Salaam brother Marwan

In referance to slavery please see

surah 4 24-25
surah 23 verse 5-6
surah 24 verse 33
surah 33 verse 50
surah 70 29-30


they are dealt with in the what you right hand possess forum.
Nida_e_Khair

PAKISTAN
Posted - Tuesday, November 14, 2006  -  11:19 AM Reply with quote
quote:

nida,

do you think a woman can go to hell just because she does not cover her hair?


My answer is brother marwan's answer. But if I were to give you a direct reply on this, it would be, "Maybe yes, maybe no, depending on the intention; and besides, Allah forgives and punishes whomever He wills."
oosman

USA
Posted - Tuesday, November 14, 2006  -  4:30 PM Reply with quote
good answer!
Asim2

PAKISTAN
Posted - Wednesday, November 15, 2006  -  10:19 AM Reply with quote
You should try the new dawah channel:

http://asimiqbal.2.googlepages.com/peace-tv.htm
Nida_e_Khair

PAKISTAN
Posted - Wednesday, November 15, 2006  -  11:30 AM Reply with quote
quote:

You should try the new dawah channel:

http://asimiqbal.2.googlepages.com/peace-tv.htm


May I ask if "you" refers to any particular person in this forum?
Asim2

PAKISTAN
Posted - Thursday, November 16, 2006  -  10:38 AM Reply with quote
I mean you (all)
Nida_e_Khair

PAKISTAN
Posted - Friday, November 17, 2006  -  11:42 AM Reply with quote
Brother Asim, you're work is very informative. Thanks a lot. May your father be blessed with Heaven. I wanna ask you a question regarding "Peace TV". Are you willing to answer it?
Asim2

PAKISTAN
Posted - Friday, November 17, 2006  -  12:47 PM Reply with quote
Aamin!
Regarding your dua (supplication)

and
regarding your comment about my work
Masha'ALLAH! + see my signature at my website :
http://asimiqbal.2.googlepages.com

and
Regarding Peace TV, I am not an official member of Peace TV or IRF, so you can contact them regarding any question regarding Peace TV content.

So I can't answer on their behalf and Peace TV is the first step towards Muslim media presence Insha'ALLAH!


now my focus is on other important issues specially the mega intra-faith issues in the Muslim world .

But I can't guarantee as I don't know what the future holds for me and whether I will get sufficient time to accomplish this task. All depends on whether ALLAH considers me worth these mega tasks.

And I don't discuss on forums ususally. As I use website and email as my primary tools. So if you have any other question contact me at my email address.

But I came here and to some other forums mainly to increase the number of visitors as the number of visitors to my sites now are far below my planned number of visitors.

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