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Abinzain

SAUDI ARABIA
Posted - Thursday, September 08, 2005  -  12:56 AM Reply with quote
Well a GOOD MUSIC will always have GOODNESS in it.


Music cannot relieve the worries etc, YOU ARE WELL WRONG. Only the remembrance of Allah makes you happy.
The only goodness in music is to pay you if you have the profession and it is the wrong method of income like other occupations, smuggling etc
oosman

USA
Posted - Thursday, September 08, 2005  -  2:41 AM Reply with quote
If what you are saying is true, then why did the prophet (s.a.w.) allow hazrat Aisha (r.t.a.) to enjoy the African dancers and their musical instruments?

It shows either you are a liar or the shaih bukhari hadith is a lie. Which one is it?

And lagh and fahshai may be haram, but music is of many kinds. Certainly most of the music today is associated with lagh and fahshai, but music that glorifies Allah, how dare you call that music that glorifies Allah and brings you closer to Allah's remmembrance, how dare you call it haram?

You said >>> Music cannot relieve the worries etc, YOU ARE WELL WRONG. Only the remembrance of Allah makes you happy. <<<


That is a big lie that music cannot relieve worries.

Armies, even Muslim armies, used the drum-beat music and singing to instil valor, to moralize the army and to demoralize the enemy, to get the worry of enemy off their minds.

Upon the prophet's arriving in Medina after the migration from Mecca, the people rejoiced and sang and danced in the streets. The singing and dancing was an expression of joy, an outlet for them.

If it were up to mullahs and fundamentalists, the human race would be living a dull and boring life under an iron curtain of fear. They try to take out the little bit of happiness from this life that the poor and oppressed people have. What you people end up doing then is creating a hatred for Islam.

Don't you see what the fundamentalists did in Afghanistan, and are doing in Iran. The young people there begin to hate Islam. But the reverse is true for Muslim societies where there is more freedom. People actually start loving Islam because it is so lenient. Islam asks us to follow the middle way. So why are you so harsh and hard headed?

Edited by: oosman on Thursday, September 08, 2005 2:52 AM
Abinzain

SAUDI ARABIA
Posted - Friday, September 09, 2005  -  8:33 PM Reply with quote
MUSIC IS HARA’M!!!!!!!!
There is no strictness or hardship but the Law within or underwhich, which we have to live e.g. if someone comes on the road may be saved if takes maximum care but anyone who is overconfident of one’s skills of driving or his wickedness that no authority can stops him, he may run even in the centre of the road.
Music being present those times but still not used by the prophet sa and the companions in whole of their lives is the strongest evidence of it being hara’m.
Some hadees are only time specific due to some reasons otherwise a single example of usage of music by the by the prophet sa and the companions may be sufficient.
If any stupid says about the Quranic reference, prophet sa is the reference [33: 21], if you believe in qura’n.
SO,
MUSIC IS HARA’M, MUSIC IS HARA’M, MUSIC IS HARA’M…… and don’t promote and impose the thinking and ways of Hindus, Sikhs and others….

If we analyse deeply, who is more selfish- one who wants to live a life with limited needs or one who wants to live a life with luxuries. It is upto you to put up your mind and have the answer from your self.

How much are the selfish people respected in the society and with Allah?
usmani790

PAKISTAN
Posted - Saturday, September 10, 2005  -  12:07 PM Reply with quote
Quote:Don't you see what the fundamentalists did in Afghanistan, and are doing in Iran. The young people there begin to hate Islam

It is very sad that not only nonmuslim influenced so much by the western media but also our Muslim brothers. How much Taliban have to work hard and how many they sacrifices their life in the straggle to making peace there. They were cleaning the mess, which was due the downfall of Russia, and US were equally responsible for this mess. What you heard there is mostly lie.

With the limited resources they managed to establish peace in most of Afghanistan.Unless we will not through the guggle of western media and try to see the actual ground realities, we will far away from the truth.

US attacked on the Araq with the blame that they are having WMD.Now hole world knows that there is no such thing exist in Araq.This has open eyes of the hole world, some of our brothers still sleeping. They still believe in the stories of western media.
oosman

USA
Posted - Saturday, September 10, 2005  -  2:59 PM Reply with quote
>>> It is very sad that not only nonmuslim influenced so much by the western media but also our Muslim brothers. How much Taliban have to work hard and how many they sacrifices their life in the straggle to making peace there

Brother, we need to take our head out of the sand and see what is happening in our name, in the name of our religion. Taliban people did many good things, but they also had a negative side. And it is not the western media, it is our own media that can tell you horrific stories of oppression, mass killings, etc. Go through Urdu newspapers, talk to the people who lived under the fundamentalist regime.

Ask yourself, Allah gave them kingdom of the land because they were good, they got rid of the infidels, then why did Allah take away the kingdom from them? Did they do something wrong afterwards?

47.38 Behold, ye are those invited to spend (of your substance) in the Way of Allah: But among you are some that are niggardly. But any who are niggardly are so at the expense of their own souls. But Allah is free of all wants, and it is ye that are needy. If ye turn back (from the Path), He will substitute in your stead another people; then they would not be like you!

Are we being substituted by another people who are better than us? Have we turned our back from the way of Allah?

Brother, do you still believe that Muslims did not blow up the buildings on 9-11, and Muslims did not blow up people in London? Do you believe in conspiracy theories even when Muslims have taken responsibility for these actions? YOu see not what is happening in the name of our religion?

The fundamentalists have a twisted wicked logic - if you die in their way, either you were kafir and will go to hell, or you are a martyr if you were innocent. They say the innocent people they kill are all martyrs, so they keep killing inncocent children, women and anyone in their way.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 17, Number 146:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "The Hour (Last Day) will not be established until (religious) knowledge will be taken away (by the death of religious learned men), earthquakes will be very frequent, time will pass quickly, afflictions will appear, murders will increase and money will overflow amongst you."

YOu see the knowledge is being taken away, the ones in charge are ignorant mullah fundamentalists who know only to oppress women, to twist the religion to justify their mantra, some even molest young boys who are sent to become huffaz (read Pakistani newspapers for these stories).

Salaam
oosman

USA
Posted - Saturday, September 10, 2005  -  3:46 PM Reply with quote
Here is another verse to think about:

024.055 Allah has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land, inheritance (of power), as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their religion - the one which He has chosen for them; and that He will change (their state), after the fear in which they (lived), to one of security and peace: 'They will worship Me (alone) and not associate aught with Me. 'If any do reject Faith after this, they are rebellious and wicked.

Now take the example of Muslim regimes in the world. Many came to power because they were good and ordered good. They achieved security and peace after being insecure and oppressed. This was a blessing of Allah. But what happened after these regimes got Allah's blessings.

We should ask ourselves what we did wrong so it doesn't happen again.
Abinzain

SAUDI ARABIA
Posted - Sunday, September 11, 2005  -  8:25 PM Reply with quote
Don’t, you pls now mix singing with music. They are two separate things. Only music is Hara’m and not singing without music.

The person Oosman from USA (as shown only) has become mad just for his personal benefits.

If he get less money of singing without music, may be helped as a miskeen about which Noble Quran commands us to help. I hope the muslims community will help him the needy.

Allah and mohammad are never happy with you if he contaminates their names with the filth and his worst wills and intentions. So don’t promote Hinduism and other non-muslim ways of life you have adapted.

Music is haram. Your baseless logics defend your own nafs not the deen of Allah and mohammad.

It is better for anyone to leave Islam (if muslim) rather than to try making it impure and impose his/her bad wills and worst intentions upon others just for his/her personal benefits.

Prophetic Saying on Music Manzoor ul Hassan/ Tr. by Tariq Haashmi.
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It is fully adulterated, transgressed and corrupted. No such things are available anywhere, if present anywhere they are all self made!
oosman

USA
Posted - Monday, September 12, 2005  -  3:00 PM Reply with quote
You said >>> Don’t, you pls now mix singing with music. They are two separate things. Only music is Hara’m and not singing without music.

Actually you are the one who first mixed singing/music, drinking wine with glorification of Allah (swt). You are the one who declared all kinds of music haram, even that which glorifies Allah. I have been trying to explain to you that mucis that glorifies Allah cannot be haram, but you are stubborn.

You said >>> The person Oosman from USA (as shown only) has become mad just for his personal benefits.

>>> If he get less money of singing without music, may be helped as a miskeen about which Noble Quran commands us to help. I hope the muslims community will help him the needy.

Answer: There is no personal benefit for me, I am not a singer, nor do I like to listen to music or singing. To me it is a waste of time. But it is not haram to waste your time - that is my point. You should stop calling something haram which is allowed, because it is a big sin to call something haram that is not! If someone wants to waste their time, Allah has allowed it, it is not haram. It is of no benefit indeed, but it is not haram.

>>> Music is haram.

Where does the holy Quran say music is haram? YOu have not produced one verse where Allah said that! Why did Allah never use the word 'music' in any verse to say it is haram? Was it not easy for Allah to tell us music is haram? He never did that! So stop putting your own words in Allah's commands!

>>> It is better for anyone to leave Islam (if muslim) rather than to try making it impure and impose h

Exactly true, that is why you should stop polluting Islam with your false beliefs and stick to what Allah said.
Bhavittre

PAKISTAN
Posted - Tuesday, September 13, 2005  -  1:53 AM Reply with quote
some hadeth allow music and some condemn. so like quran, hadeth also are full of contradictons. what a religion full of contradictons is.

the muslims are unanswerrable. how they can teach others when they themselves donot know about their religon. they will know nothing but die of qurelling with one anothr.
oosman

USA
Posted - Tuesday, September 13, 2005  -  3:50 AM Reply with quote
It does not take a genius to understand that some hadith allow it and some do not allow it because in some conditions it is ok and in some conditions is not. When related to wine, promiscuity, and other laghw, it is not ok; and when related to glorification of Allah, it is ok. But it seems many people are not smart enough to understand this simple point!
amnew

INDIA
Posted - Tuesday, September 13, 2005  -  10:56 AM Reply with quote
Salam,

The problem with some muslims nowadays is that they think that they know everything about Islam and whoever does not agree with their interpretation is called as Kaafir or apostate.

I know many muslims who still believe that the massacre that these terrorists did in Sep 11 was done by Jews!!!. They give a blind eye to all the clear evidences and believe in invented story that tries to discredit the evidences.Many muslims would deny even the London bombing was done by people who professed muslim faith!!. These terrorists are brainwashed and they become bigoted.They believe that they are matyrs if they kill non-muslims even if they are innocent civilians.But God says whoever kills an innocent soul will abide in Hell forever even if they proclaim to be muslims.[25:69].Let us stop this insanity and save our youth from dangerous ideologies.Please note that I also condemn massacre of muslims done by America and Western countries under false pretext.


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It is better for anyone to leave Islam (if muslim) rather than to try making it impure and impose his/her bad wills and worst intentions upon others just for his/her personal benefits


Does this brother imply even some great scholars of the past and present are also guilty of making Islam impure.

Please see the following links:

Singing & Music: Islamic View
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545728


What Does Islam Say on Music?

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544202

Edited by: amnew on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:01 AM
oosman

USA
Posted - Tuesday, September 13, 2005  -  12:58 PM Reply with quote
Thank you for these links, they are very informative. May Allah reward you. I would like to copy from these links this warning:

Warning against playing with the word “haram”

To conclude, we address the respectful scholars who tackle the word “haram” easily and set it free in their writings and fatwas that they should observe that Allah is watching over them in all that they say or do. They should also know that this word “haram” is very dangerous. It means that Allah’s Punishment is due on a certain act or saying, and should not be based upon guessing, whims, weak Hadiths, not even through an old book. It has to be supported by a clear, well-established text or valid consensus. If these last two are not found, then we revert the given act or saying to the original rule: "permissibility governing things". We do have a good example to follow from one of our earlier pious scholars. Imam Malik (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: “It was not the habit of those who preceded us, the early pious Muslims, who set good example for the following generations, to say, 'This is halal, and this is haram. But, they would say, ‘I hate such-and-such, and maintain such-and-such, but as for halal and haram, this is what may be called inventing lies concerning Allah. Did not you hear Allah’s Statement that reads, 'Say: Have you considered what provision Allah has sent down for you, how you have made of it lawful and unlawful? Say: Has Allah permitted you, or do you invent a lie concerning Allah?” (Yunus: 59) For, the halal is what Allah and His Messenger made lawful, and the haram is what Allah and His Messenger made unlawful.
usmani790

PAKISTAN
Posted - Wednesday, September 14, 2005  -  5:26 AM Reply with quote
Actually what Muslims do these days (including my self), we try to search things from Quran and Sunnah which suit to our personnel disire. We must be looking from Quran and Sunnah what these both desire us to do on a certain issue and once we know it, we should try to implement it in our life even if it is not suit to our personnel desire. We can bring our point of view to others but like brother oosman said (Islam does not allow one school to impose its thoughts over the other). We are mature enough to understand this.I copy a few from a fatwa for detail info. the link is there underneath.
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Music and Singing: A Detailed Fatwa

Answered by Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari, Leicester (UK)

Physical Effect of Music

Experiments carried out by doctors and researchers confirm that music is such that it does not only affect the brain, but each and every organ of the body. There is a close relationship between music and bodily movements.

It is also proved that music affects one’s emotions, increases arousal in terms of alertness and excitement and also leads to various psychological changes in the person. In a psychological experiment, it was found that listening to moderate type of music increased one’s normal heart beat, whilst listening to rock music the heart beat increased even further, yet people claim that music has no effect.

In conclusion, music and the instruments used for singing are a cause for arousing the sexual desire of an individual. It could lead a person to adultery and fornication. Therefore, Islam takes the preventive measure rather than suffers the consequences. This is also one of the principles of Islamic Jurisprudence, namely ‘blocking the means’ (sadd al-dhara'i). This is based on the idea of preventing an evil before it actually materializes, and is taken from the heart of the guidance of the Qur’an and Sunnah that, “Preventing harm is given precedence even to achieving possible benefits.”

Becoming Heedless of Allah

http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00002024.aspx
raushan

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Posted - Wednesday, September 14, 2005  -  9:07 AM Reply with quote
basic point ye hai ke her woh cheez jo insaan ko Allah ki yaad se ghafil kar de ya usse doori ka sabab bane ghalat hai.aur ye sirf music he nahin,quran ki nazar mein apni aulad ya biwi sab is fehirst mein shamil hain agar woh Allah se door hone ka zariya ban rahe hain.
soofiya ke haan music ka istemal isliye tha ke woh logon ko unki taraf raghib karne ka asan sa zariya tha aur unhone iska istemal deen ki baaton ko awami zaban mein unke saamne pesh karne ko kiya
maujooda daur mein music aur uske sath gaya jane wala kalam ziyadatar ya to behayi ki batein dikhane ko hoti hain ya phir sirf aurton ki khoobsoorati aur unse rishte ko byan karne ke liye makhsoos ho ke rah gaye hain jo akhlaqi taur pe he ghalat hai.
doosri taraf jo milli tarane,hamd ,naat ya phir awam ke dilon ko jodne ke liye gaaye jaate hain unhien ghalat kahna mere khyal se sahi nahin

Edited by: raushan on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:09 AM
oosman

USA
Posted - Wednesday, September 14, 2005  -  7:17 PM Reply with quote
>>> music and the instruments used for singing are a cause for arousing the sexual desire of an individual. <<<

It might be true for you, but it is not for me and many others. So it is better for you to avoid music if it makes you horny!

Also I do not see how music and singing that glorifies Allah can make someone horny or take him away from Allah's remmembrance?
Loveall

PAKISTAN
Posted - Wednesday, September 14, 2005  -  11:24 PM Reply with quote
The role of music entertainment seems to be depending upon the way of the auditory and the visual signals, via the refractory media of our eye and the vibratory eardrums of our ears, which penetrate our minds to influence its effectors.

Perhaps the majority may not agree with me, to know that it is no exaggeration if I say music may bring us more near God. As I said earlier, “The role of music …………influence its effectors”, music induces the psychological effects causing meditativeness in which if anyone concentrate anywhere remains static in that condition. Similarly if someone concentrates towards God, remains static in the condition and this explains the role of Qawali, which some group of Sufis listen eagerly. Remember; I am saying especially about those Qawali, which are not associated with the polytheistic words and thoughts.

Regarding my views on music, I think we ourselves are the best judges. All those musics, which do not hurt our minds or those of the others in our vicinities, are quiet harmless in every aspect.

Wassalam with the saying of God:

Until when they come to it, their ears and their eyes and their skins shall bear witness against them as to what they did (41: 20). And that was your (evil) thought, which you entertained about your Lord that has tumbled you down into perdition, so are you become of the lost ones (41: 23).

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