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ibrahim
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 Posted - Tuesday, July 3, 2012 - 3:47 AM 
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rizwansaleem
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Tuesday, July 3, 2012 - 9:10 AM
Dear Ibrahim Sahib,
Thank you very much for sharing the link of a worthwhile video. The content discussed in the video by Ghamdi sahib is almost what he has already described in Meezan.
The point I have reaised of the equality of the produce of land and the produce of a human remains partially addressed by Ghamdi sahib(As he mentioned that he considered a human as a production unit as he considered land, factory, plaza etc as production units)but he has not discussed specifically that how produce of land or factory can be equal to the produce of a human being. At this point I would request you to please discuss my raised point with Ghamdi sahib and enlighten with his opinion. I think it will be better to clearify the point.
Regards
Edited by: ibrahim on Wednesday, July 04, 2012 5:55 AM |
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ibrahim
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Posted - Wednesday, July 4, 2012 - 6:00 AM
meanwhile I'm looking and discussing ur raised example and Qs w sm colleagues i hv a Q 4 U.
where in ur opinion Human Services be put instead of production as this is a huge source of income and it can't be exempted fm Zakat?
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rizwansaleem
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Thursday, July 5, 2012 - 9:40 AM
quote:
meanwhile I'm looking and discussing ur raised example and Qs w sm colleagues i hv a Q 4 U.
where in ur opinion Human Services be put instead of production as this is a huge source of income and it can't be exempted fm Zakat?
regards
Dear Ibrahim Sahib,
Thank you for your consideration. I am also thankful for your useful question that where human services should be placed for the purpose of Zakat. Before giving any opinion I would like to make it clear that these have never been exempted from Zakat even in the existing system of zakat because these automatically come under the zakat net when zakat on wealth/Money/Savings is calculated and paid by any individual. It is very clear that anyone who is a professional and working as salaried or non-salaried individual (Like lawyers or doctors who are providing services in individual capacity) has employment or profession as sole or main source of income which contributes to his her wealth/money/savings. Hence in my opinion produce of individuals needs not to be treated as produce of land is treated because it is already treated in Zakat on Mall.
In my second opinion individual human services need not to be treated separately as produce because these are already treated for Zakat while calculating Zakat for the employing business. Same point I have also made clear in the previous example which is under your consideration.
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ibrahim
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Posted - Thursday, July 5, 2012 - 11:05 AM
hmmmmm GOOD. Then I hv anothe Q 4 U.
Y the Land Production is charged heavily (5 or 10 %) & wealth only 2.5%?
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Y the Land owner has to give Zakat on his EVERY Production (Jub bhi Fasal pake to Allah ka hissa do-Quran) & on Human Production zakat be PAID only ONCE in a year and that too v LESS? Y is such a big difference in ur opinion?
Unfortunately ur REASONING is NOT satisfactory to MY understandings.
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rizwansaleem
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Friday, July 6, 2012 - 4:30 AM
Thank you very much for your questions but I am interested to know the answer of my questions first(As I am not here to give my opinion but to get satisfaction on the views of Ghamdi Sahib). I also would like to know the reasons of your unsatisfaction on my opinion because where I am not satisfied from your views I have given strong reasons.
Reason of difference in rates is quite obvious because production of land is the result of three factors of production whereas human production is only the produce of single factor. Above all these rates have been decided by Allah & his Holy prophet(PBUH) and are quite logical for me.
Please supply updates on my requested questions if you can.
Regards
Edited by: ibrahim on Monday, July 09, 2012 1:32 PM |
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ibrahim
Moderator
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Monday, July 9, 2012 - 1:37 PM
surely BUT i'm sorry again being a bit busy. be back to u soon in sha Allah
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pl take my Qs as a process of answering ur Qs n not trying to know ur opinions.
it just help us to understand How u r thinking.
hope u'll say sm now in reply to my Q |
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rizwansaleem
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Tuesday, July 10, 2012 - 2:09 AM
Thanks and will wait for your opinion whenever it is possible for you. I have already commented on your questions.
Edited by: ibrahim on Saturday, July 21, 2012 3:51 AM |
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ibrahim
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PAKISTAN
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Posted - Saturday, July 21, 2012 - 3:54 AM
| Rizwan Sb. Pl confirm that your main Q is about the basis of considering Human Services as Production. |
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rizwansaleem
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Saturday, July 21, 2012 - 8:56 AM
Yes Sir, please consider specially in the context of salaried and non salaried individuals. Regards
Edited by: ibrahim on Monday, July 23, 2012 3:28 AM |
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ibrahim
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PAKISTAN
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Posted - Monday, July 23, 2012 - 4:21 AM
Ok Sir!. here is my understanding about the Matter:
Zakat is a TAX in its nature & an Islamic Govt cannot take any tax OTHER than Zakat. therefore MOST of the things be Available for Zakat deduction.
From the Sunnah we find two types of Zakat: one on WEALTH (2.5%) & the Other on PRODUCTION (5or10%).
Today we have a v Large sector of Paid Servants. We can't ignore it or even think to exempt it from zakat. So we need to relate it. We see in Production that if it is based on CAPITAL or LABOR only its Zakat ratio is 10% whereas if it is based on these two BOTH then this ratio is Half 5%. (I don't know which 3rd factor U counting in the Production). Therefore SERVICES can easily be taken as Production based on LABOR only & that's what Mr Ghamidi did.
Unfortunately I'm unable to understand until now what EXACTLY is the of ARGUMENT of U. (aap ko Asal main kia IETARAAZ hai un ki raay per). However I've tried to explain it to U according to my understanding hoping it might clear some points to U. Now w8ng for ur comments & If still there's is sm Q pl state it as clearly as possible.
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