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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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 Topic initiated on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 4:31 PM 
The prayer-module 1
can I ask for your advice on the following
1. Introduction states " A little deliberation shows that the essence of religion is comprehension of God and an expression of humility and meekness BEFORE Him." As I most humbly understand with my limited knowledge, we cannot show humility before God but "towards" God.
2.Page 7 of module states" The arrogant are attacking me, o God; a band of ruthless MEN SEEKS my life..."
In my hunble opinion with men it should be seek rather than seeks.
3.Last paragraph page 7 "They were fully aware of its pre-requisites and ETTIQUETTE, rituals and utterances..."
In my limited knowledge should be pre-requisites and ettiquettes, rituals and utterances.
I would be grateful for your thoughts
Waseem |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 4:33 PM 
Can I also ask your advice that for a module written in English, would it be better to use Pbuh rather than sws?
your thoughts |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 4:39 PM
Page 3 " Shadad Ibn Aws narrates from his father that the Prophet sws said: " In contrast to the Jews, you should wear your socks and boots in prayer." Abu Daud no 652
Is this referring to saying prayer on the back of a horse or a camel? as Muslims do not say prayers in a mosque with boots on? |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 4:44 PM
Page 3 " Abdullah Ibn'Umar rta says that " Umar rta or probably the Prophet sws himself said: " If anyone of you has two pieces of cloth, he should offer the prayer in them and if he only has one then he should use it as a loin cloth. He should not wrap it around himself in prayer like the Jews do " Abu Daud 635
I would like to ask firstly if we are unsure who has stated this then is that a reliable quote?
Secondly if it is stated by Umar then it looses credibility anyway in terms of its application or are we saying Umar is quoting from Prophet PBUH.? |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 4:47 PM
Page 5 states that the prayer was always offered five times a day. According to a narrative ( Abu Daud no 393) Gabriel himself informed the Prophet sws of this fact
Are these two points substantiated from Qur'an or are both quotes from hadith? |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 4:49 PM
| Quote from Lious Ginsberg has been quoted regarding his research on the Talmud of Jerusalem. Could you please inform who was this person and how reliable and credible his opinion is considered in Jewish circles? |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 4:50 PM
| What is the principle of Jam'baynal-salatayyn? |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 4:53 PM
quote page 6 rom Exodud 34:6-7
.....he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation-the special law of the Almighty relating to the progeny of Abraham sws
Can I ask what is the basis of this law and how is it a fair law. Is it Divine to punish children for the sins of their fathers and grand fathers? What is the historical background for this law? |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 4:57 PM
Page 6 quotes the supplication from the Psalms
it states" Among the gods there is none like you..."
Are we saying that the prophet David pbuh on whom the Psalms was revealed believed in more than one God?
Same supplication ends "For great is your love towards me: you have delivered me from the depths of the grave"
I could not understand the deliverance from the depth of the grave, could you elaborate? |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 5:03 PM
Page 7 quote supplication of injil
Matthew 6:9-13
Last line states" but deliver us from evil for kingdom and glory and power ARE always Yours"
Should it be glory and power IS always Yours? |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 5:14 PM
| Could you elaborate what does the recitation of Shema means? |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 5:47 PM
| Who were the Zoroastrians and what were there chants? |
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Mujahid
Moderator
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - 11:43 PM
posted 4:31 pm;
yes, i agree with your observations.Thanks for pointing them out.
posted 4:33 pm;
As long as both 'pbuh' and 'sws' are explained clearly in English both are ok.
posted 4:39 pm;
Not wearing shoes in mosque is showing reverence to the house of God and is also a matter of cleanliness as shoes can bring filth inside the sacred place.
Saying salah with shoes can be offered in your office,in car,on a ground etc.
posted 4:44 pm;
No weak hadith is included in the course.If a hadith is being refered to Umar ra it would generally mean that he is qouting from Prophet pbuh.
posted 4:47;
They are both from Ahadith.Quran gives time frame of salahs only but does not mention the number of salahs.
The rest of your questions will be answered soon Insha'Allah. |
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Mujahid
Moderator
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 7:12 AM
| I sent your unanswered questions to the research scholars in Almawrid where these modules are prepared and i have been told that the answers to some questions may take some time. |
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waseem
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Thursday, November 15, 2007 - 5:53 AM
| I am grateful for your help Jazaa'kallah |
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yajoudeh
USA
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Posted - Saturday, November 17, 2007 - 2:16 PM
waseem, while several of your questions are interesting, you are incorrect about some of your grammatical corrections.
1. you said, "Page 7 of module states" The arrogant are attacking me, o God; a band of ruthless MEN SEEKS my life..."
In my hunble opinion with men it should be seek rather than seeks."
That is wrong. the verb seeks corresponds to the main subject BAND. 'of ruthless men' is a modifier of the subject band, which is a singular word, so SEEKS is correct.
2. you also thought that 'etiquette' should be plural in "Last paragraph page 7 "They were fully aware of its pre-requisites and ETTIQUETTE, rituals and utterances..."
It is correct to be single, as it is one of those words that refers to several things in the single state.
Comments for the moderator, while I do agree that there are many small grammatical and English mistakes that show up in the modules, I'd encourage an extra review of the modules by those fluent in English before they are posted to ensure clarity.
My final comments are that I definitely found the 1st module for the prayer interesting, and I'd also like to know the Jewish references discussing five prayers. I tried to search for this myself and could not find anything and it would be helpful for dawah purposes. Thank you very much. |
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