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Tariq Hashmi
PAKISTAN
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 Topic initiated on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 3:55 PM 
Module 1: Meaning of Nazm
The following question has been forwarded to be. Will somebody help me reply this:
Asalaamo-Alaikum Wa Rahmatulah Wa Barakatahu
what is meant by Nazm?
Kindest Regards,
Jazakhum Allah Khaira,
Zakir
Edited by: tariq hashmi on Thursday, April 22, 2004 12:43 PM |
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AishaUmmAya
NETHERLANDS
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Posted - Thursday, June 3, 2004 - 1:27 PM 
Assalamu alaikom,
as far as I can tell, it's meaning is that of an order, coherence, meaningful arrangement. In reference to the arrangement of the Qur'an we speak of nazm when we indicate a relationship between words & meaning of the Qur'an & the linear connection between verses, surahs or verses & surahs.
Aisha. |
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hkhan
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Saturday, June 5, 2004 - 4:54 PM
as sr aysha has mentioned its linear correlation b/w surahs as well as sections in surahs
the classical opinion was that Qura'n was a book with no order whatsoever
however contemporary view c has proved that there is a steady order in the arrangement of Qura'n, not only in the subject of a single surah coming dowmn from paragraph to paragraph, but also between the surahs themselves for example in surah baqarah the subject dealt re: people of book continues into surah a'l e imra'n
wud ask br tariq whether this correlation persists b/w sections (rukus) as well, or they were introduced for memorizing purpose by huffaz like manzil,ruba'
(sorry. mustn't ask this after taking the quiz. shows lack of understanding innay?) |
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Tariq Hashmi
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Tuesday, June 8, 2004 - 4:10 PM
Salaams
thanks for the post.
You write:
(sorry. mustn't ask this after taking the quiz. shows lack of understanding innay?)
I would say we must keep posting our understanding of the matter and qeustions before others on the forum even after the exam. The basic purpose before us learning and it does not stop at the quizzes. Therefore, i request those of the participants who have completed their courses to keep visiting the forum and post their valuable comments and give others an opportunity to benefit from their knowledge.
As regards your question regarding Ruku' division, please note that Ruku division also considers the shift in theme and not the quantity or number of verses for the purpose of Hifz.
AishaUmmAya (1586) wrote in her response:
In reference to the arrangement of the Qur'an we speak of nazm when we indicate a relationship between words & meaning of the Qur'an & the linear connection between verses, surahs or verses & surahs.
I think it is not very accurate view. Only some of the scholars apply the word Nazam (coherence) to linear connection like Imam Raazi and not all. In the moduels the word has been used in its general meaning. The contemporary scholars believe that the Qur'an contiains compelete coherence and orginazation as discussed in the related modules. |
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student1
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Saturday, November 6, 2004 - 7:08 AM
Asalam Aalaikum
According to my limited understanding and knowledge,Nazm means poetic verse.
Please correct me If Iam wrong.
Regards, |
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Tariq Hashmi
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Saturday, November 6, 2004 - 7:22 AM
Salams
Please go through the Modules of the course.
Then discuss the questions. |
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noblemuslimah20
SAUDI ARABIA
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Posted - Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 9:50 AM
| Salaam to everyone,since this forum is also a place to share knowledge and learning through discussion as MR.TARIQ HASHMI told us that we should keep discussing and sharing knowledge and experience in the courses we have enrolled even after we have given the exams ,I HAVE SOMETHING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS FORUM SOME THINGS REGARDING WHAT I'VE LEARNT about THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE QURAN.IN HIS BOOK 'ISLAM IN FOCUS' DR HAMMUDAH ABDALATI RELATING TO THE AUTHENTICITY AND THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE QURAN STATES "THE QURAN WAS REVEALED IN PORTIONS AND PIECEMEAL, BUT IT WAS NEVER WITHOUT SOME FORM OF ORDER OR ARRANGEMENT .THE NAME OF THE QURAN INDICATES IT WAS A BOOK FROM THE VERY BEGINNING (QURAN:2:2,41:41-42).THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE QURAN AND THE GRADUAL REVEALATION OF ITS PASSAGES WERE PLANS AND WILL OF GOD, A WILL BY WHICH MUHAMMED (PEACE BE UPON HIM) AND HIS COMPANOINS ABIDED". WILL THIS SOLVE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE QURANIC NAZM OR WHO FINALIZED THE LATTER FORMAT OF THE QURAN? and as to what I think ,the meaning of nazm must be as our first module of this course suggests , NAZM may mean THE ORDER AND ARRANGEMENT OF THE QURAN TO STATE IT CLEARLY IS'NT IT MR TARIQ HASHMI?.TO FURTHUR QUOTE FROM A WELL KNOWN SCHOLAR , REGARDING THE ARRANGEMENT OF THE QURAN,SYED ABUL A'LA MAUDUDI FROM HIS BOOK ,"INTODUCTION TO THE STUDY OF THE QURAN" ASKS THE READERS TO PONDER OVER, (PG.5),"WHAT KIND OF BOOK ,THEN IS THE QURAN ?IN WHAT MANNER WAS IT REVEALED ?WHAT UNDERLIES ITS ARRANGEMENT ?WHAT IS ITS SUBJECT ?WHAT IS ITS TRUE PURPOSE ?WHAT IS THE CENTRAL THEME TO WHICH ITS MULTIFARIOUS TOPICS ARE INTRINSICALLY RELATED ?WHAT KIND OF REASONING AND STYLE DOES IT ADOPT IN ELUCIDATING ITS CENTRAL THEME?IF WE COULD OBTAIN CLEAR LUCID ANSWERS TO THESE AND OTHER RELATED QUESTIONS WE MIGHT AVOID SOME DANGEROUS PITFALLS,YHUS MAKING IT EASIER TO REFLECT UPON AND TO GRASP THE MEANING AND PURPOSE OF THE QURANIC VERSES .IF WE BEGIN THE STUDYING OF THE QURAN IN THE EXPECTATION OF READING A BOOK ON RELIGION WESHALL FIND IT HARD,SINCE OUR NOTIONS OF RELIGION AND OF A BOOK NATRURALLY CIRCUMSCRIBED BY OUR RANGE OF EXPERIENCE .WE NEED THEREFORE TO BE TOLD IN ADVANCE THAT THIS BOOK IS UNIQUE IN THE MANNER OF ITS CONTENTS AND ARRANGEMENT.WE SHOULD BE FOREWARNED THAT THE CONCEPT OF "A BOOK" WHICH WE HAVE FORMED FROM OUR PREVIOUS READINGS IS LIKELY TO BE HINDRANCE,RATHER THAN A HELP,TOWARDS A DEEP UNDERSTANDING OF THE QURAN.WE SHOULD REALIZE THAT AS A FIRST STEP TOWARDS UNDERSTANDING IT WE MUST DISABUSE OUR MINDS OF ALL PRECONCIEVED NOTIONS".JAZAKALLAH KHAYRAN! |
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noblemuslimah20
SAUDI ARABIA
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Posted - Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 9:54 AM
| THIS WAS MY ATTEMP TO CLEAR SOME OF THE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE QURANIC NAZM ,I HOPE THIS HAS HELPED. FEEDBACK REQUESTED FROM MR.TARIQ HASHMI. |
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student1
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 8:19 PM
Asalam Aalaikum
The word "Nazm" has actually divided the Muslim Scholars into two groups.
One group supports that Qur'an posseses "Nazm" but the other doesnot.
Those who agree that Qur'an
posseses "Nazm"(Coherance and meaning) are also divided into two groups,both groups interpret the term "Nazm" according to their own understanding and view. One Group claims that the term "Nazm" refers to the link and relation between words and the meanings but the other group claims that the term "Nazm" refers to the linear connection between the verses, Surahs or between Surahs and verses.
Those who uphold the view that "Nazm" refers to the relation between words and the meanings state that each and every word of the Qur'an is arranged in such a way that they give a perticular meaning and supporters of this view are called "Khattabi" and "Jurjani".
Those who hold the view that "Nazm" refers to the linear connection between verses ,Surahs or verses and Surahs base their view on Razi the first person who introduced and applied the idea of "Nazm" to Qur'an.
Zarkashi has discussed this word in Burhan under the chapter titled
"Understanding of the Relationships between Verses)".
Please note that both ,the former and the latter group agree that their are relations between the words and the meanings in the Qur'anic verses but
the latter group is more inclined towards the linear connection between the verses, Surahs or the Surahs and verses both.
Regards,
Edited by: student1 on Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:25 PM |
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student1
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Friday, April 29, 2005 - 1:28 PM
Asalam Aalaikum
Mr.Tariq,you stated that the
contemporary Muslim Scholars hold the view that Qur'an is completely coherent and organized.
By the word "Contemporary" do you mean the present day Scholars?
Edited by: student1 on Friday, April 29, 2005 1:30 PM |
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student1
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Sunday, May 1, 2005 - 7:06 PM
Asalam Aalaikum
Dear Mr. Tariq
I wanted to ask you something about Razi's method regarding "Nazm".In the module 1 of the course "Arrangement of the Qur'an", I was reading about the idea of Razi,that he even criticised certain interpretations of the Qur'an which interfered with the "Nazm"of the verses and effected it.He even doesnot hesitate to reject the Shan-ul-Nuzool(Occasion of Revelation) if it contradicted with the "Nazm" that he arrived at. I wanted to know that doesnot this approach of Razi puts him under question since he holds
the "Nazm" that he arrived at as
a "Criterion" for evaluating the
interpretation of the Qur'anic verses.
I hope my question is clear.
Regards,
Edited by: student1 on Sunday, May 01, 2005 7:29 PM |
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Tariq Hashmi
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Monday, May 2, 2005 - 8:01 PM
There is no denying the fact that the idea of Imam Razi of NAzm is different. However the fact remains proved that he believes that the Qur'an is a coherent book. His understanding led him to believe that any interpretation should not be violating this principle. I understand you know that he discovers linear connection between the verses. Which to the contemporary scholar may sometimes be misleading.
For example the last sentence of a paragraph may not necessarily be connected with the following verses which forms part of the next para. We should however beware of the fact that all these scholars who believed in nazm or those who did not all of them are trying to reach the true purpot of the Qur'an. One may commit mistake but thier effrorts and works are unparalelled for which they deserve great respect of all the scholars and students of the Qur'an.
If you please elaborate on a little on this part of your post to help me understand.
I wanted to know that doesnot this approach of Razi puts him under question since he holds
the "Nazm" that he arrived at as
a "Criterion" for evaluating the
interpretation of the Qur'anic verses. |
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student1
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Tuesday, May 3, 2005 - 6:55 PM
Asalam Aalaikum
I wanted to know that doesnot this approach of Razi puts him under
question since he holds the "Nazm" that he arrived at as a "Criterion" for evaluating the interpretation of the Qur'anic verses.
In the above statement, I meant to say that Imam Razi even questioned the shanul nuzool(occassion of revelation) if it contradicted with the nazm that he arrived at,does not this approach of razi puts him under question because Qur'an was revealed during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) in fragments and the occassion of revelations where also known by the Prophet(pbuh).
If my question indicates that I have misunderstood something ,then please clarify Mr. Tariq.
Regards, |
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Tariq Hashmi
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Tuesday, May 3, 2005 - 8:12 PM
The context of the verses if final and decisive for it has been handed down through generation to generation mode of transfer and its authenticity is unquestionable wheres the narratives regarding the occassion of revelation are individual reports which are only probable truths. Thus if the stronger source contradicts the unreliable one it has to be discarded.
Also please go through: http://www.monthly-renaissance.com/janqur2y3.html |
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student1
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Thursday, May 5, 2005 - 5:54 PM
quote:
The context of the verses if final and decisive for it has been handed down through generation to generation mode of transfer and its authenticity is unquestionable wheres the narratives regarding the occassion of revelation are individual reports which are only probable truths. Thus if the stronger source contradicts the unreliable one it has to be discarded.
Also please go through: http://www.monthly-renaissance.com/janqur2y3.html
Asalam Aalaikum
Thanks for giving this link to me, I will inshallah read it thoroughly and present my comments and opinion on it. |
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sumaiyakudhus
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Thursday, May 12, 2005 - 3:29 PM
assala mualikkum,
i would like to know which are that five different verses which quran contains and in what way does it differs from one another...stated under the adversaries topic by sha waliullah, also i want to know who are the tabiun genarations.
and under the topic DIVISIONS REGARDING MEMORIZATION its written that one siparah is subdivded in to four hizbs and again the each hizb is subdivided in to quarters...how its done,i dont understand this could you please let me know it in detail.
thanking you in meanwhile,
with regds,
sumaiya |
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