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Siddiq Bukhary
Moderator
PAKISTAN
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 Topic initiated on Monday, March 8, 2004 - 2:18 PM 
module1: Revolt against an Islamic state
The verse 4:59 says 'Obey God and the Prophet and those of you who are in authority'
keeping in veiw the directive of this verse,can a Muslim citizen revolt against an Islamic state? |
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fathima
INDIA
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Posted - Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 12:41 AM 
| if i am not wrong, i think muslims can revolt against an islamic state is the state is doing something against the islamic shariah. |
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Marina
USA
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Posted - Sunday, July 4, 2004 - 6:34 AM
| I think that it will depend on the situation, and if all Muslim citizens revolt against that state or just couple of people that have an issue with that government. They can though if the state is doing something that is against Islamic Law or Qur'an. |
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Sayfullah
BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA
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Posted - Sunday, July 4, 2004 - 12:33 PM
| In an Islamic state, Muslims, as soon as their Amir is elected, have to pledge their loyalty to him; Muslims can object their rulers behavior (and this is only possible if the ruler is violating the Islamic law), but it is recommended by the Prophet, saws, that they be patient for some time, and leave the rebellion as the last solution. |
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Marina
USA
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Posted - Monday, July 5, 2004 - 12:03 AM
| So how long would you be willing to wait, and do you think that if you do wait that problem might get bigger, and harder to solve? |
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Siddiq Bukhary
Moderator
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Wednesday, July 14, 2004 - 6:03 AM
| No Muslim citizen has been given the permission to revolt against the government unless he has the backing of a clear majority behind him. The reason for this is that if the majority does not support him then such a revolt would not be against the government; on the contrary it would be against other Muslim citizens which according to the Shariah is Fisad Fil Arad, an offence punishable by death and if this revolt takes the shape of an armed uprising then it should be subject to all the conditions of jehad imposed by the Sharaih. |
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aslam
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Friday, August 6, 2004 - 5:18 PM
Salams,
Clear and telling examples of such fasad(anarchy)can be witnessed in Algeria and Egypt and it is rearing its head in Pakistan! |
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abdullah099
USA
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Posted - Monday, August 9, 2004 - 7:25 PM
As long as the leader is following the deen as best as he possibly can then it is forbidden to revolt against him or his appointed governors and advisors. We see this is true in the first speeches given by both Abu Bakr, and Umar (RA).
Abu Bakr - "Praise be to Allah! I am now in authority over you, but I am not the best among you. If I act virtuously, help me. If I act wrongfully, correct me. Truth is honesty, falsehood is treachery.
The weak among you is strong in my sight, until I give him what is due to him, if Allah wills it. And the strong among you is weak in my sight, until I take what is due from him, if Allah wills it.
Let none among you abjure the holy war in the way of Allah, for no people do so but Allah strikes them with disgrace. And among no people does vice become general but Allah inflicts upon them terrible punishment.
Obey me while I obey Allah and His Messenger; and if I disobey Allah and His Messenger, you are not obliged to follow me.
Forget not your prayers. May Allah have mercy upon you!"
Umar -"Lo! The Arab is like a camel which follows its master and waits for him wherever it is made to sit. And by the Lord of the Kabah, I shall carry you on the right path."
I feel that in our current situation it is perfectly fine to revolt against the leaders of most Muslim countries, because they are misguided. Most of them never read the Quran yet they are incharge of running our affairs. This is not right, because they will lead their people astray. A good example of this is Pervez Musharraf, who drinks wine and owns a dog. Not only that, but he sends his troops to fight Muslims and is also quoted as saying that "Muslims are the most ignorant people on the face of the planet".
Edited by: abdullah099 on Monday, August 09, 2004 7:28 PM |
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abdullah099
USA
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Posted - Monday, August 9, 2004 - 7:30 PM
| What we need to do is unite under a single government and appoint a Caliph. This is the type of government Muslims have had for centuries, until just recently. So we need to stop this nonsense of nationalism, and focus on uniting under a single flag in Dar-al-Islam. |
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samrqandi
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Monday, August 9, 2004 - 7:36 PM
salaam alaikum
I believe that revolt is something that is recommended unless the leader commits clear cut kufr. also the prophet prophesized this in the hadeeth that after the khulafah, we will have kingship after that we will have tyrants and after that we will have khulafah. People want sharia but they dont even know the basic requirements of a sharia, rather super impose their own views of how the state should be. and allahu alam. |
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aslam
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 5:28 AM
Salams,
Samarqani could not be more right! |
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abid4321
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Wednesday, November 10, 2004 - 4:34 PM
| i agree with you brother Abdullah. May Allah guide all those who still call for nationalism. WS |
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Awliyah
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Thursday, November 11, 2004 - 1:20 AM
Salaam,
I totally agree with brother Abdullah. The correct way to redress a khaleefah who deviates from Hukm Shar'a, is to deal with him via the courts of Mazaalim (unjust acts). In an Islamic State the mazaalim would have been given the power to investigate complaints against the khaleefa and to remove him, if need be.
wasalaam. |
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hidayat
MAURITIUS
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Posted - Friday, January 7, 2005 - 12:00 PM
Assalamualaikum, I think before thinking of revolting or not?, we must first question our motives for this? Am i the only one thinking as such? Why is the authority doing that thing which is not pleasing me? What are the reasons for them to do this?
In brief it once again leads to the answer by brother Abdullah. Such points will continuously be raised until the reinsertion of the Khaleefah. |
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Siddiq Bukhary
Moderator
PAKISTAN
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Posted - Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 5:40 AM
|No doubt motives are necessary but the basic principle must not be overlooked which is as follows:
No Muslim citizen has been given the permission to revolt against the government unless he has the backing of a clear majority behind him. The reason for this is that if the majority does not support him then such a revolt would not be against the government; on the contrary it would be against other Muslim citizens which according to the Shariah is Fisad Fil Arad, an offence punishable by death and if this revolt takes the shape of an armed uprising then it should be subject to all the conditions of jehad imposed by the Sharaih. |
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perv1
UNITED KINGDOM
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Posted - Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 10:49 PM
Why would muslims revolt against a muslim state. As a muslim leader can only govern with the consent of the majority, then if the majority disagree with the goverment then that Goverment can be changed. If the Govt does not reflect the will of people, it is unIslamic. I do not understand why this point is so difficult to grasp. In many countries the will of people is also known as democracy, whose origins lie in Islam.
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