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[quote]Salam Oosman, Q:- Firstly, it is not shirk to follow something that is not against the Quran and word of Allah (swt); even if it comes from some other source than Quran. A:- To follow anything or any source besides Quran [b]AS RELIGIOUS SOURCE OF ISLAM[/b] is equal to Shirk with Almighty God. Almighty God says in the Quran that we should not seek any other source as source of law(religious) besides Quran. 6:114 Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt. 6:115 The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient. We can’t make any law about religion, which is not mentioned in the Quran, whether this law is good or bad is not the factor. When Almighty God says Qur’an is complete and fully detailed and we should not seek any other source besides It as our source of law, then it is sufficient for us. If not, then Almighty Allah would not say above(6:114-115). We should judge ONLY ACCORDING TO QURAN. 4:105 We have sent down to you the scripture, truthfully, in order to judge among the people in accordance with what GOD has shown you. You shall not side with the betrayers. Almighty Allah told Muhammad(pbuh) that ’You shall rule among the people with the Quran”. [b]Almighty God even superseded the previous scriptures by the revelation of Quran, which He Himself revealed to other prophets. [/b] When this is the case then how could you claim that you can label any religious rules as Islamic which comes from outside source which are not against the Quran? In Torah & Injeel, there are many many good religious rules are existed, which are not against the Quran, but we cannot follow them as part of our religion. We should follow only Quran and nothing else. [5:48] Then we revealed to you this SCRIPTURE, TRUTHFULLY, CONFIRMING PREVIOUS SCRIPTURES, AND SUPERSEDING THEM. YOU SHALL RULE AMONG THEM IN ACCORDANCE WITH GOD'S REVELATIONS, and do not follow their wishes if they differ from the truth that came to you. For each of you, we have decreed laws and different rites. Had GOD willed, He could have made you one congregation. But He thus puts you to the test through the revelations He has given each of you. You shall compete in righteousness. To GOD is your final destiny - all of you - then He will inform you of everything you had disputed. [5:49] You shall rule among them in accordance with GOD'S REVELATIONS To YOU. Do not follow their wishes, and beware lest they divert you from some of GOD's revelations to you. If they turn away, then know that GOD wills to punish them for some of their sins. Indeed, many people are wicked. Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD's revelations are the disbelievers. (5:44) Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD's revelations are the unjust. (5:45) Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD's revelations are the wicked.(5:47) So brother, your imagination is completely wrong. Now either you can accept it or not, it is your choice. Q:- Please prove your claim that only the things from Quran are acceptable and all other good things not originally from Quran are not acceptable. A:- Brother you re misunderstood. I only told you that we should not accept anything as our [b]RELIGIOUS SOURCE [/b] besides Quran. As Qur’an does not recommend for due salat, so it is not Islamic. The rest is above. Q:- Secondly, please don't sound like you are god, don't say what He will accept and what He will not accept. This is not for you to decide, Allah will judge in the end and He is the King - not you. A:- I never said to you that I am king. Ever told I that? Why do you angry with me brother? I only said that Almighty Allah will not forgive or accept any kind of idolatry. [b]If you follow fabricated hadith besides Quran as your religious source then it will be fallen under the category of shirk with God,[/b] which Almighty God will never accept from any one and I wanted to convey you this, nothing else. 4:48 - GOD does not forgive idolatry, but He forgives lesser offenses for whomever He wills. Anyone who sets up idols beside GOD, has forged a horrendous offense. 4:116 - GOD does not forgive idol worship (if maintained until death), and He forgives lesser offenses for whomever He wills. Anyone who idolizes any idol beside GOD has strayed far astray. Q:- Because God says do whatever that is good and don't do evil. So we do what is good, and making late salat to make up for missed salat is doing something good. I do not see it as an inherently evil act - do you? A:- [b]Salat is one of the Pillars of Islam. Its timings are mentioned in the Quran and also quran prescribed that we should do offer our salat at its specific times. [/b] Now if any one say that we can offer our salat at any time in the day, if it is missed, [b]when Almighty God decreed that it should be prayed within its specified time for each salat, [/b] then it will be against the quranic teachings. No one can label it as Islamic. It is not matter of good or evil. It is a matter of religious regulation. Also it is not possible to make up any salat, if it is missed. [b]Quran specified the time for each salat. If it is missed, then missed. We can only ask forgiveness for the same from Almighty God. [/b] Why do you not understand this simple words. I told you again & again that offering due salat is not any religious regulation because Quran does not say about it, [b]rather Quran stressed on the point that we should offer our salat at its specified times[/b]. Will you now understand? Q:- Again you put your own words in my mouth. When did I ever say that late prayers are a must and a requirement? Please don't put your own words into my mouth. If someone wants to do late prayers, then there is nothing against it in the Quran - and you have no right to stop someone from doing it. If you don't want to do it, so be it. But if others do it, don't tell them they should not do it. Allah commands us to do good and eschew evil. Doing late prayers is good, nothing evil in it. A:- How ridiculous!! You said that late prayer is not any requirement, it is not a part of religion, it is not required for our salvation etc…etc…. Then why do you recommend for this??? [b]Also you said that it is not part of religion!! then how could you say that due salat makes up the obligatory missed salat, when Salat is one of the pillars of our religion[/b]??? Brother someone can do anything but they can’t label them as Islamic. Offering due salat is not any Islamic rules because nothing about it is mentioned in Quran. Any religious regulations that are not instituted in the Quran are not islam. Offering due salat is not any Islamic rule, because it came from fabricated source called hadith not from Quran. Q:- What faiy tale? A:- You believe the tales of fabricated hadith. This are fairy tales. Q:- Arrogance was the downfall of Iblees. Please mind yourself. Even the great sheiks and scholars of Islam never said what you have just said. And those people definitely did have the right to say that they have more knowledge than other people, as for you, I don't know who you are, what is your background, what you have studied. And you claim to me more knowledgeable - sounds pretty arrogant. May Allah forgive you and me for our arrogance. A:-Please recall your earlier statement dated 26th June,2006 where you advised me as follows; “So please stop saying such things that YOU HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF”. I only replied to your above sayings. I did not say ‘I know more than any one’. How could you say me that ‘you have no knowledge of’? Do you know more than me? If not, then why you advised me of that? If yes, then why can’t I opine that, when you actually wanted to say me that ‘you have more knowledge than me’? So in reply to your said whims I replied so. I did not show any kind of arrogance in this matter. It is your whimsical thinking. Secondly, to know the real message of Qur’an we must not require any sound background or Ph.D. degree from any recognized University. If so then other nations would more knowledgeable than us(mislim).Quran does not say that who have more Educational degrees he is more knowledgeable. Whatever may be, I don’t want to discuss this matter in this place. InshAllah, I shall discuss about this in another forum and in another time, if so requires. Q:- The Quran is enough guidance for our salvation. However if we want to do more good, then the Quran orders us to do good - does not restrict us to only the things in the Quran. A:- Yes we should do more good, but we should not import any non-quarinic idea from outside source and call it Islam. Offering late prayer is not in the Quran, it came from outside source i.e. called hadith(fabricated). So you can’t label it as Islamic. I only told you that. It is not part of our religion and you also now accept it. Thank God. Q:- The Quran does not detail many things like salat, zakat, hajj; A:- Yes Quran details all of them mentioned above. This has been discussed in another forum called ‘Quran, hadith & sunna’. Please see that. Q:- it does not say do medical research in genetics to save lives, it does not say make computers to increase production and make life easy for people. If you want to do all these 'good' things, then you need to follow other sources of knowledge which are good. A:- Brother it seems to me that you could not yet to understand my words. I always told you that [b]we should not accept any other source as our religious source besides Quran[/b]. How to play football, how to operate computer..etc..etc.. do not fall under the source of religious law. Q:- However I am not saying that these 'other' things are necessary for salvation - so no one should say that these other things are cumpulsory or part of religion. A:- Then you say that offering missed prayer at any time in the day is not the part of our religion, but it should be prayed because it makes up our missed obligatory prayer!!! What a ridiculour!! Q:- I am saying that these other good acts are optional and one should do them to increase their balance of good deeds for the hereafter. If you do not want to do them, it is your own loss, don't do them. But don't stop me from doing my late prayers because I missed them and would like to earn some extra reward from Allah. A:- [b]Where Quran says that if any one do not want to offer his missed prayer then it will be his own loss? [/b] In one side you said that offering missed prayer is not any requirement for us, it is not required for our salvation, it is not the part of our religion(islam) etc..etc.. But after that in another side you say that it(offering missed prayer) brings extra reward from Allan!!! What a joke!! When it is not the part of our religion, then how could you say this in the religion point of view? Where Almighty God says so brother? I did not try to stop you from doing anything. I only tried to convey you and the other members of this forum that your idea of offering missed prayer is non-quranic, non-religious and imported from outside source. If you don’t want to believe then don’t. It is your choice. But don’t try to make a rule and preach it depending on fabricated hadith. Minara.[/quote]
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